I hope this guy dies
I'm not happy the chuds won, but I am very happy the libs ate shit, you know what I mean?
They're terrible, two-faced little shits and they way they act like they have this unassailable moral high-ground has always aggravated me.
read a comment, wish i saved it for the drej tank, it went like this in regard to the potential tarrifs:
"the democrats are the party of the upper middle class now so we'll weather it, something something leopards faces working class"
I'm sick of libs weird belief that the entire "working class" are all white rascists men in hard hats that carry their lunch in a pail and vote Trump. Simultaneously they also think the republican base of rich petty bourgeois is "wirking class" because they're white, drive pickup trucks and listen to country music.
Basically anyone but the actual working class is what dems imagine they are
I had a friend from the south and would tell me I was part of the "coastal elite" because I had socialist values. He was working in tech making ~8x what I did working in manufacturing and he thought people should have to pass a competency test on issues to be able to vote for them.
That's like the people calling baristas "cultural elites" instead of working class. Like yeah, the people behind the counter at Starbucks are the real ruling class
The "class-based analysis" of the typical american is fundamentally flawed, at least partially due to the shared conviction that there is a nebulous "middle-class" that everyone belongs to.
yeah good luck carrying your shitty party with just the "upper middle class" i'm sure that's a demographic that will continue to expand massively as conditions deteriorate
Comment I got last election
"When it looked like Trump was winning last night, I was pissed. Now that Biden is winning, I'm pissed"
You could try winning their votes with better economic policies or be
"I choose Hitler"
"What, like not even a little conside-"
"I SAID I CHOOSE HITLER"
I mean, they have better economic policies but only because Trump's economic policies would actively make things worse.
The problem is that their economic policies are neither non-existent or complicated incrementalist means-tested shit (tax breaks for minority middle-class, small business owners with two kids and a successful business in an undeserved neighborhood for 3 years; or debt relief for students in a private college that had lost accreditation and had a Pell grant or in a public service job or non-profit for ten years, etc). Turns out having better than a negative economic policy can only get you so far.
Americans NEED to feel war on American soil. This piece of shit is part of what people believe to be the "good" 50% of voters.
I dream of a great war of justice that will reduce the American soil to ashes.
This one right here; and when it happens, I'll be trying to defect to whoever had the cast-iron cojones to spit on Amerikan soil. I eagerly await my chance to betray and sell a cracker out to their enemy.
and just smirk while saying
oh my fucking god its literally
having a mental wank at the genocide fucking gross!!!This is why I don't believe in a left future for the white race. We need to eliminate all of them. These are enemies of humanity. Point blank, periodt.
I realize this could very well come off as flippant or like I'm trying to pull a "gotcha," so please believe me when I say that this comes from a genuine desire to understand.
If that's really how you feel, why do you hang out on Hexbear? This place is pretty damn white.
Because c/em_poc exists, and has always felt more active than black_comrades on Lemmygrad, mostly. I like them. Do you know how few Black spaces that aren't lib as fuck exist on the internet? If I wasn't willing to walk through hordes of settlers to find community I'd just never fuckin use the internet.
beaming with pride over being an em_poc mod rn lol. also if you have a matrix.org account we made an em_poc chat! if not no worries!
http://matrix.to/#/!yrzgTzeuaubMyCSigK:chapo.chat?via=chapo.chat&via=matrix.org
I don't actually; do you have to give it an email to have an account? I try not to use anything that forces it at this point
i'd suggest using simplelogin, that way you can just give an aliased email instead of your real email address to services. simplelogin will redirect mails sent on those aliased email addresses to your 'real email address' on Bcc.
or you can just make another email address without much info on it to use solely to register on sites. ^^;
If I can figure this out, I'll at least give it a fair swing!
sorry i fell asleep. sadly i do believe you need an email.
And nukes. We're definitely gonna need nukes because of people like you.
Yeah, crackers like you only know how to fuck up Black and brown nations, I already know. Crackers like you would rather nuke the world than let Black people determine the terms of their liberations and the span of their destinies. How dare you smug at me? The audacity of you fucking disgusts me, and only further proves my point.
Exactly. The liberal is a duplicitous beast who hides their bloodlust with rhetoric. A fascist is just an unsucked lib, and a sucked fascist is a lib.
Is "sucked" in this context the opposite of "scratched"? By "sucked" do you mean like cock?
I believe it's a reference to the tagline "Suck a liberal and a fascist cums".
C’mon guys, we need to stop sucking liberal and fascist cock. Sometimes they’re hot but it’s not worth it!
If you understand that what you're doing is unethical and therefore makes you a bad person, what even guides you in life? Nothing more than spite? What holds back this OP from committing murder and SA?
What holds back this OP from committing murder and SA?
The law, presumably. But I’m afraid that might be the only thing.
Clearance rates for murder and SA cases are very low. Makes me think of American Psycho actually. These people have accepted immorality and do not have much holding them back from going on a spree of crimes against undesirables.
They wouldn't be backed by the law of AmeriKKKa in those cases unless they join the military/police force. This is something they can do relatively easily (and without potentially risking their lives) and then forget about by next week because the government will take care of everything else. If they wanted to murder someone and they knew the government would come clean up after them and maybe even give them a sticker they'd do it.
Stealing can be entirely ethical. Illegal would be the word for things like that, but OP's post is certainly unethical
For sure, but the average person will hear of stealing and consider it unethical, which is why it would be posted in that subreddit
Ethics; such a noble notion. Perhaps you've forgotten already who was just chosen as president.
So the liberal discourse has shifted from "It will be worse under Trump" to "This is morally justifiable because Trump would do something worse"?
I never believed that Trump Derangement Syndrome was a really thing but your comment is making me rethink this position.That wasn't really my point. What I meant is that what was allowable has shifted, possibly permanently. There's a whole new generation being shown that it's ok to be a criminal.
Legality does not and has never equated to morality. If we're talking about criminality and matters of legality, has the Biden/Harris administration worked furiously to defend and enable Israel to violate international law? When congress invites a war criminal who has an arrest warrant issued for them by The Hague and congress lavishes this figure with dozens of minutes-long applause, does this not signal that criminals are not only permitted by the system by openly and roundly praised by it?
Did we not see mass scale war crimes and human rights violations under Obama/Biden and, obviously, Trump and now under Biden/Harris?
There is no higher level of law than international law. Help me to understand what you're referring to with regards to you concern for condoning criminality.
Better yet, help me to understand why your original comment was dismissive of ethics while your reply seems to be concerned with people being given authorisation to violate ethics? That doesn't seem cogent to me at all; by pronouncing the premature death of ethics are you not tacitly condoning people to abandon the very ethical framework that you are lamenting the abandonment of?
You're speaking in absolutes; I am not. It's simpler than this, I expect a cheater and lliar to cheat and lie. His main focus being money and own benefits, is going to affect his decisions.
So my main concern is with the, let's call this, initial personal characteristics or the moral core.
When it's thrown into complex decision systems it surely will be bent out of shape, but I can expect general shape to hold.
You're speaking in absolutes; I am not.
I mean, you can't half-violate international law. Either you break the law or you don't.
But if you're attempting to refute my claim that legality has never equated with morality then your reply is nothing more than a tactical and rhetorical retreat because if you truly believe that I'm incorrect about this then it should have been an easy matter to provide a counterargument instead of just a negation.
Moreover, you haven't actually answered the questions I posed to you.
It's simpler than this, I expect a cheater and lliar to cheat and lie. His main focus being money and own benefits, is going to affect his decisions.
How does this not apply to someone like Biden or Harris though?
So my main concern is with the, let's call this, initial personal characteristics or the moral core.
When it's thrown into complex decision systems it surely will be bent out of shape, but I can expect general shape to hold.
I don't follow.
The funniest thing about liberals turning themselves into solipsistic egoists is that it undercuts the social propaganda of liberalism that in turn undermines socialist development, liberals believe that by taking off the mask it'll somehow scare average people back into obeying the liberal order, but they fail to recognize the only thing keeping liberalism alive was the kayfabe of social harmony and incrementalism
Once those two things are abandoned in favor of playing in the fascist sandbox, our job as socialists becomes infinitely easier, since we can now simply point to the now naked abomination of liberalism and the majority of the population having no recourse to the previous illusions of social liberalism become radicalized at incredible rates
Liberals VOLUNTARILY killing social liberalism is a fuckin dream come true for us, because liberals are fundamentally idealists and they never recognized that they are in fact a vanishingly small minority keeping an inhuman system alive, that's why for our ideas to flourish we don't need 18 intelligence agencies or the largest global state/media apparatus in history to keep it alive, we just need people to come to a simple yet intuitive recognition
And it's easier for people to come to that recognition when liberals abandon their duty as propagandists of capitalism and instead call for the deaths and immiseration of average-day people for legally voting for a candidate liberals themselves created and fostered
Frankly I hope liberals really lean into this kind of shit
it undercuts the social propaganda of liberalism that in turn undermines socialist development... [Libs] fail to recognize the only thing keeping liberalism alive was the kayfabe of social harmony and incrementalism
This is really on point.
There's this philosopher who's politically kooky but his critiques of liberalism in particular are useful imo. He's a bit like Chris Hedges; some good critiques but when it comes to conclusions and application and what is to be done, best look elsewhere because these people are poster children for the dire consequences that long-term materialism deficiency has on the mind and the spirit.
Anyway this philosopher named John Gray identified four fundamental values inherent to liberalism/liberal mythology:
Individualism
Universalism
Egalitarianism
MeliorismThe first three in that list are pretty easy to grasp, I think. The last is closely bound with the myth of progress and however you want to rehash the concept: a rising tide lifts all boats, the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice, etc.
Your comment really struck upon the same ideas that John Gray traced out. Arguably "social harmony" is how liberals perceive Individualism, Universalism, and Egalitarianism to manifest in society. Incrementalism is simply a different way of describing meliorism.
I'm not sure if you've come across John Gray's work before but I just wanted to point out that not only are you hitting the nail on the head in your comment but you've arrived at a conclusion that an academic managed to build half of their career upon, which I think is pretty neat.
I get that there are more important things to study but on a personal level I've found that learning about the philosophical basis of liberalism to be really instructive of how to play the angles when it comes to highlighting liberal hypocrisy and using the inherent contradictions of that political project to do all that good stuff like deconstruction and rebutting and undermining and agitation. Your comment drives home how a solid grasp of what liberalism is and what it tells itself is instrumental in revealing liberalism (and liberals) for what they truly are.
That's so cool, I'm not familiar with John Gray, I was just going off my own intuition and understanding, but it's not surprising if anyone observes liberals long enough and take their history into account they would most likely come to the same conclusions as Mr. Gray
Meliorism is also an interesting term, I wasn't aware of it until now, but it encapsulates so much of what I find insidious and subtly sinister about the architecture of liberal thought
I agree, the liberal framing of meliorism is so pernicious. This kinda weird, linear concept of progress that posits that every development ultimately benefits us all.
Obviously that's not true though. I have a little quip that I occasionally dust off when discussing this and it is that meliorism doesn't account for the invention of the whip.
In more prosaic terms, the Americas really didn't see the benefits from the development of things like advanced seafaring or gunpowder and it's undeniable that these advancements of Europe caused an unfathomable amount of suffering, deprivation, and dispossession. But in all honesty I think that's the pro-colonialism and white supremacy that comes built into liberalism and its idealised notion of meliorism shining through; it's all pretty great, just as long as you don't consider brown people!
meliorism doesn't account for the invention of the whip.
Sorry bud this made my absolute fucking BAR detector blow up in my hand
Xi please, just fucking press the button, and don’t spare
while you’re at it 
only bad when they do it. It’s necessary when I do it.
As an aside I am greatly disappointed I won’t get to see
’s head explode when another woman besides her was first president girl boss.It would be so funny for Kamala to taste power for a week and then fade into obscurity.
Kamala immediately legally assassinates Trump and Vance. 5 million ballots appear, all with her name on them. She takes the win.
Body found at the base of a palm tree at Mar-A-Lago, "suspicious circumstances"
True. That would be the cosmically poetic thing to happen (so it won't, sadly).
Liberals: "MAGA IS BAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DEPORT PEOPLE ITS SO UNETHICAL AND BAD!!!"
trump wins
Liberals: "LETS FUCKING DEPORT ALL THE DEPLORABLE [ancient slurs that havent been uttered since 1840] WHO VOTED FOR HIM!!"
- Show
This one is somehow worse
I like how the random employees of this "maga guy" are just collateral damage to this lib
Having your family members arrested and deported over the 5% Hitler increase is absolutely soulless. Prior to this, I don't think I believed that every liberal is a fascist at heart, but now, my hate is pure.
"My Neighbour is a huge NSDAP fan, but i know hes secretly a Juden, how would i go about reporting him to the Gestapo?"
"This guy is brainwashed let's deport him" even if he was legal I doubt he could vote in the US without citizenship
Don't expect Americans to think. It's very difficult for them.
I swear if the topic of Marxism ever comes up and I for some stupid reason decide to out myself in an audience of these kind of immovable idiots I'll end up beating someone up I CAN'T STAND IGNORANT ASSHOLES
edit: young Marx reference :O
edit: reread that, that’s fucked up
Punishing his parents because he’s a fash is insane
I don't think it's okay to weaponize immigration laws like this even if the parents were pro-Trump as well.
if they’re actually fash racist klanners i don’t give enough of a fuck to shed tears
Doing fash racist klannism to defeat fash racist klannists!! You don’t have to shed tears for the individuals, that’s not the point.
About time they stopped pretending to care now that the election has gone to shit, just be honest and say that you'd happily vote fascists in to keep your treats
to die
