And the men who enable them by pretending to be into it just for sex are just as bad
What's the point of getting into wicca shit for sex? You still played yourself by posting cringe
No white liberal women need a way to feel special because white people have no actual culture and appropriate native and POC religion with wiccanism and then scumbag liberal white men go along with it because they are desperate. White Men just generally end up dumb christians. It’s 2 sides of the same coin. Men are less rational but that’s besides my point. White men and women are both irrational in their beliefs white women just generally appropriate culture moreso than any other group
I hate how much more circlejerky this place is vs the old sub..
I dislike the whole "white ppl have no culture" trope. Its just so ahistorical and unprincipled. You can be critical of a settler colonial state and its subsequent problematic customs, but its still a culture.
Yes there are blatant thefts of closed cultural traditions that should be left to he original peoples but no culture lives in a vacuum and they all feeds off others cause who wouldn't use a cool idea when they found it?
But wiccanism comes from pagan traditions I thought? How is that appropriating from BIPOC?
I wasnt speaking about Wiccanism in my comment. Technically speaking though pagan just means non-christian, but cultural appropriation is when a culture uses closed cultural traditions, or just uses traditional customs/clothing flippantly or mocks it in some way. This can be any culture not just BIPOC culture.
Thats just most predominately seen in white settler nations as a history of empire and settler nations allowed the majority ethnic population a broader base to draw from various cultures. Mix this with a sense of superiority and you have a perfect recipe for mass appropriation.
So Wiccan customs could be appropriated in theory, but most ppl who practice it are earnest so its not really appropriation and its not an exclusive tradition, so its not able to be stolen
Why is using and re-using, modifying and adapting others' "intellectual property" cool and good and should be done without any barriers but using and adapting others'cultural traits to create something new ought be prohibited? Culture is just a temporal and geographical expression of human creativity and adaptation to circumstances - no one owns any of it, no one can bar others from any of it!
Right, but I guess the picture gets a bit muddled when you have an oppressive/genocidal culture destroying and othering another culture and then turns around and uses their victims' practices/regalia as a costume. People of that latter group may want to hold on to a part of their identity that was being stamped out.
Also if there are people who have a custom or ritual that they think is special and want to keep something sacred to themselves, then maybe let them have it
Thats always been my understanding, especially when people steal culture to profit from it in some way.
Ah gotcha. I wasnt sure if Rev was earnest or playing the part of a neoliberal haha
White chicks like astrology cause its marketed to them, thats not their fault lol.
Try to be nice and tolerant plz. Most people under that umbrella are relatively harmless & their 'religion' is pretty accepting & permitting so that's cool.
but I'd be lying if i said it didn't piss me off when people inject astrology into conversation & try to interrogate your sign all the time. like that's literally evangelizing, don't frickin preach to me, whatever your beliefs, or i will resent. also fuck being sexist, men can also actually get into it, it's not a ploy to get laid
I'm straight edge so I never have done drugs and have no use for them. I highly suggest everyone converts to the beautiful religion/philosophy of daoism as all other religions fucking suck and their followers should die but daoism let's you find eternal peace.
I’m not an atheist I consider myself religious and believe in god. There’s nothing wrong with spirituality but wiccanism is literally the spiritual version of essential oils.
I’m a pantheist. I think the universe is god. I think we are all one and infintely everything and nothing. Wiccanism is literally using charms on urself and oujia boards and tarot astrology and crystals. It’s new age bullshit. Saying we are infintely eachother and everything and nothing is actually somewhat scientifically supported. Our fundamental particles are everywhere and no where in the universe outside of time itself and these building blocks make up us and where they are is entirely random and exactly where it’s meant to be. The collective concious has some evidence supporting it. Wiccanism has literally none. Saying the universe is god actually has evidence behind it. Wiccanism doesnt. There’s a reason the guy who invented relativity was a pantheist. Wiccanism is just edgy dressed up christianity.
Saying demons aren’t real and neither is crystal faith healing is literally bigoted cope guys it’s 2020
Sorry making fun of tarot reading crystal essential oil mayos is not bigotry. White women will always find a way to act oppressed just like stop. This invalidates actual bigotry and is lib af. Criticizing what are essentially essential oil scammers is not bigotry you are just a liberal
Wiccanism is not an actual religion it’s a hodge podge of made up cultural appropriation as well as anti science faith healing and anti vaccination by white people in recent times. And besides that even if it was a real religion there is nothing bigoted about critizing religion. That’s the same as saying critizing christianity is bigoted when Christianity leads to harmful anti science beliefs same as wiccanism thag get people killed. You’re argument makes no sense. Making fun of christianity is not bigoted. Neither is making fun of wiccanism. Let me guess you are a white person who practices it and are offended that someone is taking the piss. Lib shit
There is science that supports this. Our fundamental particles operate on this way. The man who invented relativity Agrees with me. There is no science supporting wiccanism
Maybe your fundamental particles operate that way, I've got better shit to do that pursue a weird, vaguely racially-motivated vendetta against something so inane.
Saying that while not realizing all religion and spiritual traditions (including pantheism) are a hodge podge of various cultures beliefs
I had my suspicions from the title about the real motivations of this post but this here just confirms it, a thinly veiled sense of superiority.
Lol because god has a rigorous scientific definition. At least Wiccans acknowledge that their beliefs aren't grounded in science, trying to pass off your religious beliefs as an objective scientific fact is cringe.
The reason I like tarot and to a lesser extent astrology is not because I think it is real, but rather it provides a sort of general framework of metaphor that can make you think introspectively.
sorry to inform you that you're actually pretending to be into it just for sex
I've never really been into astrology but that's always what I thought it was about.
tbh I find people who shit on things other people enjoy more annoying than someone being into something I don't really care for.
Our God is an Awesome God He Reigns From Heaven Above
I dunno man.. guys are into some cringy shit too... I mean Myer-briggs personality types are basically astrology for nerds. Every time i see a guy claim he's some INTJ, i wince a little.
And how about Alan Moore occult shit? That stuff can definitely cringy as well and i've seen a lot of people take it very seriously.
But among all the pseudo spiritual beliefs culturally socialized into guys; the one that makes me roll my eyes the most is that "Pierce the heavens" "i'll be the man" "Hero's journey" mentality. And yes i know this thing is spoon fed into guys from a very young age; But holy shit: How many guys in the history of humanity out there have gotten a condescending pat in the head when they put on their hero pose and claim the equivalent of being the "best pokemon master" How many women go along with this only to socialize?
And for fucks sake: How socially deprived do you have to be not to realize that most people out there just tolerates and accepts all sort of harmless odd quirks and beliefs in sex partners, friends and family just to get along?
The reason women "fall into" shit like astrology and witch stuff is because it's marketed to them, not because of some sexist bs reasons. Well I guess the marketing is sexist
Man no one actually has any idea what's actually going on don't kill others vibe even if it's not your own.
I'm gonna ignore the easy layup and say sure they can! If you want them to!
Who's going to stop people from mixing them? Are you going to shoot them?
I’m allowed to think someone is wrong and misinformed. Wiccan shit is snake oil salesman. The people are into it are the same people who buy essential oils.
You're allowed to do whatever you want I'm words on the internet not a cop (more on that later). I have an elderly neighbor who does crystal and faith healing stuff, and has offered to do it to me a few times. I don't have any reason to believe it works, but I politely accept because it's more important for me not feel like a raging asshole than it is share with everyone just how I think the world works.
Problem is those people are the same people who don’t vaccinate their kids and are anti hospitals blood transfusions etc. it’s harmful 😜
Half of the wiccans of which I know a shit ton from being in the rave scene I know aren’t. Are pro essential oil pro faith healing. My anecdotal evidence has as much validity as yours. It’s not a stereotype I literally interact with these people constantly. It’s not sexist to point out wiccans are anti science. You are just a Mayo looking for oppression points when you aren’t marginalized at all. I know over 20 of these people. It’s not a small sample size
anti science.
Coming from a scientist; read Kuhn and Feyerabend and don't pin your worldview on this notion of science as some impartial arbiter of truth. We're normal people just like everyone else.
This is condescending as shit. I have a neuroscience degree. I am a scientist too. I never said it was impartial I said it’s actual evidence of which wiccanism has none
said it’s actual evidence
This isn't actually how things work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem%E2%80%93Quine_thesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory-ladenness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_holism
Your making the same argument that fundamentalists use for anti vaccination. Just because there is always going to be bias doesn’t mean scientifically proven things are equally valid to things with no scientific evidence. I like how your earlier post condescendingly assumes I’m not a scientist and then states thingy veiled reactionary anti intellectualism. Science is biased as fuck. I never said it wasn’t. But there are actual ways to show something is true scientifically using the scientific method. That is until it’s disproven. Which most things are. However until that point of where it’s disproven you can’t just shake it off and away by saying since everything is biased you can’t assume anything scientifically that is proven is inherently true
Your making the same argument that fundamentalists use for anti vaccination.
They certainly are related; I used to do the exact same thing you're doing now and argue for sciences inherent superiority on the internet, but then I realized that didn't actually do anything. People disagree with science, and in a democracy, you can't just peer-review away their democratic power to block science-based policy.
You are welcome to roll up to a WV coal mining city with a 10 ft stack of papers on global warming and a worldview that says that you know better than everyone else and announce that scientists have decided that all the people there are going to be laid off but that's okay because we'll help you retrain as Uber drivers. But then, they're just gonna vote for the guy firing his rifle into the air shouting "FREEEDOMM" and we're all gonna die.
Also, my argument isn't really about bias, you should look into those links a bit it's a very fascinating look into the underdetermination of scientific theories.
I have a neuroscience degree.
Hey chapos, I found Ben Carson's ghost!
That's the wonderful thing about it! Because I've actually treated her like a person as opposed to a rube to be corrected, she'll actually come by and run medical decisions by me. She asked me if she should get a covid vaccine and we decided that she was going to ask her doctor and commit to whatever he says.
Tarot is just cold reading solitaire.
Which, like, can be useful to prompt oneself to think about their life from different perspectives, but it's not magic.
We have subs for all three Abrahamic religions and don't really tolerate people mocking their fictional sky god or their "prophets." If other people want to believe in a moon goddess or earth spirits fucking let them, as long as they're not being preachy about it (which I haven't seen a single instance of on this site) fuck off and leave them alone. And yes, I'm not a wiccan but, I am pagan and I am fucking tired of our beliefs being less valid then others just because less people believe in them.
On one hand, making up a religion is cool but, on the other hand, why would you choose to make it a bland cocktail of fake pagan shit
I've recently taken up collecting minerals and you would not believe the shit that you have to wade through on Etsy to buy these things. It's a flood of crystal grids and energies and I'm just like Marge Simpson "I just think they're neat!"
on the one hand I agree but on the other one more person who becomes a wiccan is one less who becomes an evangelical who are infinitely more cringe so critical support
