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Leftists: community solidarity is the foundation of mass politics! people are social creatures! capitalism isolates us and keeps us weak!
Also leftists: I have not left my room in two weeks.
I don't think that's leftists in general honestly that's really a Hexbear thing. I don't really know why but HB really seems to have primarily retained people who don't have friends and smoke weed and play video games. This is the only left space I've seen where if you suggest it's your responsibility as a leftist to organize in person with real people you get called ableist.
See, now that's some delicious bait right there. OP could learn from this.
It's because the original community was founded on the principle of all listening to the same irony-poisoned podcast hosted by people that love weed and hate going outside.
For me it's not socializing with my neighbors much, other than some short small talk as we pass each other on the street. Though I do feel like a hypocrite when I talk about community solidarity when I barely know the people who literally live next door to me. Social anxiety is a motherfucker.
This is a fishing pole. They just chucked it right into the water. Let's all agree on the centrist belief of immediately cancelling all animal ag subsidies and transferring them to beans
i don't like beans, how about we spend some of that money genetically engineering a nutritious potato
what about the potato is not nutritious. you can basically survive off of potatoes alone
related: slime mold time mold's potato diet community trials (where people lost a lot of weight by eating mostly potatoes lol)
also see: slime mold time mold's a chemical hunger series where he investigates the root cause of the obesity epidemic (which inspired the potato diet community trials)
Can I stack car batteries in the creek to replace the rocks I overturned
Hexbears are so exhausting to argue with that nobody on hexbear wants to argue with hexbear anymore.
this ragebait is annoying, yeah, hexbear is cool 90% and 10% an annoying stuck up suburb american CPUSA branch that gets nothing done and just argues about stupid shit no one cares about
If you announce beforehand that you're trying to make a struggle session you're not going to make a struggle session
Ugh I came into this thread so ready for a big brain hottie to pin me down intellectually and jab me with the hottest takes they can.
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what's happened to this website? these are rookie numbers
Veganism isn't really that big of a debate on here. People are either vegan or not vegan. As long as people aren't being disrespectful assholes in areas where they shouldn't (someone posting recipes on /c/food with a meat CW, /c/vegan, ect.) I really don't see much fighting over it.
Should have started the WFPB discourse instead, people over here get really heated over cooking oils. Going anti-cooking oil would be a hilarious piece of bait
Vegans not knowing oils kinda blows my mind. Strategic use of oils and spices can make just about any vegetable shine.
Eh that's not a vegan thing (although I do notice most vegan recipes use canola oil instead of actually caring about the oil's flavor) it's whole food plant based that don't use any oils.
individualized consumer action, the missing piece for overthrowing capitalism!!!11!!
screaming "THERE IS NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER CAPITALISM!!!" while snowshoveling mountains of Wendy's™ Double Baconator Deluxes into the bed of my diesel Ford™ F-350 extended cab
I'm not even a committed vegan, but if you don't buy the bacon, the grocery store takes a little longer to re-stock the bacon, the slaughterhouse breeds one less pig, and there's less suffering in the world. Responsible consumer habits make a difference, just not enough to overthrow capitalism. Even just a couple days a week of no meat by one single individual reduces the number of animals killed substantially. http://environmath.org/2020/09/08/just-how-many-animals-do-americans-eat-and-how-many-would-you-save-by-going-meatless-one-day-a-week/
If it helps, don't buy the bacon because the capitalists will make surplus value off the purchase.
As I've learned more about capitalism, I've been less enthusiastic about market effects and paying more attention to social effects. Being vegan or vegetarian is FAR more acceptable than it was a few years ago. One of my friends sought out my advice before going vegetarian and I think I provided a good example leading up to his decision. We're building groundwork for a movement; animal welfare activists made it socially unacceptable to wear fur, leading to less demand (and less tortured minks) and a number of countries outright banning fur farms.
Covid spread among minks has all but killed the industry in Europe, last I read. The main mink producing nations banned it.
yeah mink was probably a bad example, they're just emblematic of the industry in my head. Fur farming in general was banned in a bunch of countries before COVID zoonosis concerns: Austria 2004, Croatia 2007 (effective 2017), Norway 2018 (effective 2025), U.K. 2003, soft ban in Switzerland. These tend to be countries with weak fur industries before the ban. But they sometimes enact import bans as well which helps the struggle internationally. I would expect that as the movement builds steam socially it reduces demand for fur, which weakens the fur producers, so they're less able to resist legislative demands.
That's a super good point, actually. At the risk of committing sacrilege in a thread meant to spark a struggle sesh, that could also be key to finding common ground between the vegan movement and people who aren't ready (for whatever reason) to go full vegan. Tell them that the next best thing is to be positive about veganism anyway - provide vegan options for your vegan friends, talk about how cool it is that they are vegan, speak out when people scoff at vegans etc. I dunno, probably some people think that's a dangerous half measure, but I genuinely think there are a lot of potential allies who are scared away by the "all in" approach to veganism (which I get - once you internalize that killing animals for food/products as murder, it's hard to accept a little murder). Maybe they could, if nothing else, be put to work talking up veganism and vegetarianism to less receptive people - who might be even more inclined to turn out vegan voices anyway.
screaming "THERE IS NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER CAPITALISM!!!" while snowshoveling mountains of Wendy's™ Double Baconator Deluxes into the bed of my diesel Ford™ F-350 extended cab
i just had to thank you for this, work sucked (not unusual) but this was a lovely intro to my post work day
absolutely correct comrade. I'm sure you're making a great contribution to the organized fight against industrial animal torture
You have a line, too, right? Like probably not a fan of private jets?
I think eating a hamburger is a bit more accessible to the average hexbear than taking a ride in their own private jet.
bro it's fucking river rocks, who cares if you move them. small fish can find a second rock or whatever
This but unironically. The ecosystem isn't so fragile that picking up a couple rocks will destroy it.
'Leave no trace' means leave no trace, not 'leave no trace unless it seems kind of fun'
And taking an old guideline as Law, stripped of context, removes you from participating in the ecosystem, reducing you to the sterile observation of a museum visitor.
You aren't 'participating in the ecosystem' by fucking up trail markers and scaring crawfish, lol
These are impacts that I am very comfortable describing as inconsequential. The water moves the rocks too, and the crayfish are scared of everything.
As a person who grow up muslim household while living in USA I heard about how amazing bacon is. I was so disappointed after trying it. Its mid
It's legit just a meat-industry PsyOp that resulted in it becoming such a meme.
taste is subjective
you can't pretend that meat tastes bad, the whole fucking point is that eating meat is bad. Making shit up will not help anyone!
Where else could you get both salt and smokey flavor??????
small voice in the background maybe add salt and liquid smoke to literally anything?
Bacon sucks ass, pork sucks ass. Every religion that bans eating pork has the right idea, that shit sucks.
Americans living anywhere outside of America will constantly whine about how there's no "proper" bacon but American bacon is the worst bacon I've ever tasted.
Wrights thick cut applewood smoked is pretty good if you've never had that
Have you considered this is ableist to criticize people who need their num num epic bacon 100 treatsies
I don't care about you not caring! We should start a
struggledebate session about who is not caring the hardestno but ragebait for clicks and acknowledgement please im so lonely no one talks to me please upvote
Yea i dont think you would be able to change people's consumption in the same way you can convince them being fucked over by capitalism.
Meat exactly isn't a "luxury" good either. Even the poor in the global south occasionally consume meat. People don't have the same concern for animals (that arent considered pets) being abused and killed compared to humans.
I put it in a similar but not the same box as religion. I wish people were less braindead when it comes to certain aspects of religion. Idk how a person can be fucked over a million times and still believe that God is good and has their best interests in mind.
In Amerikkka it’s cheaper to get edible meat / carbs than it is to get edible vegetables
CW: meat
More than occasionally, just look at the "hard body" chicken market in most townships and informal settlements in South Africa. Meat might as well be a religion in this country, and chicken is eaten so much I swear some consider it a staple or vegetable.
I could probably go on Facebook and buy a freshly slaughtered and cleaned chicken, with feet, neck and organs, right now if I had a Facebook account or wanted to do such lmao. The going rate for this is around R70 per chicken, that's 3.5 US Dollars I think.
People have no idea how wild stuff is in the third world/global south. Facebook marketplace and WhatsApp can get you pretty much anything you want, legal or illegal. The only global south countries that are strict with this social media stuff similar to a global north/first world level, are, ironically, the communist ones like Cuba. I know a bunch of cigar resellers in Cuba got busted after a South African travel influencer posted them to Facebook live.
chicken is eaten so much I swear some consider it a vegetable
More than once I've been given a "vegetarian" option that is either chicken or turkey, lmao. A bunch of "vegetarian" dishes in restaurants use chicken or fish broth or components, too.
That must suck lol. Also a lot of animal fat is used in frying, I think McDonalds fries/chips are the most infamous example.
But yeah at a braai/barbecue/cookout I've asked for salads, and people would jokingly point towards the chicken wings before directing me towards the actual salads.
Mcdonalds fries in the USA are vegetarian, but not vegan. They have "natural beef flavor" made from wheat and milk derivatives. They stopped using beef tallow to fry in the 90s when trans fats were banned.
https://www.rd.com/article/mcdonalds-fries-ingredients/
isn't that some weird catholic thing where meat only means beef and pork?
Pretty much every living thing on this planet is an omnivore if they're hungry. Unless someone's living conditions allow for it, they will not become vegan. There's a reason that dog meat only became morally questionable in China after the nation industrialized.
An example that goes against this is India, where they still don't have a massive surplus of food, but still widely are vegetarian. However, Hindu/Buddhist thought in India didn't start moving towards vegetarianism until around 400BCE-200CE, when India had one of most prosperous economies in the world and they were urbanizing. So even in the case of a major religious shift like what happened in India, the only way diets change is by different things being more available.
its not really just hunger, sure Chicken is a cheap form of meat but as @aaaaaaadjsf mentioned, it goes beyond just hunger and more of a treat. Obviously, people in global south don't have the purchasing power to consume copious amounts of meat like Liver King or whatever does.
Also, India being vegetarian is not completely accurate, whether one consumes meat depends on their caste and even many of the so called 'upper' caste people consume meat (except for beef).
I think the first step is to start teaching children about animal welfare and how animals are mistreated in school.
It's not hunger as in "people starving", it's hunger in the sense of not being constantly anxious over where your next meal comes from. As long as people do not have the cognitive space to even think about changing their food, they probably won't. I'd include America in this statement about "vegetarianism" won't become a majority without living condition changes".
This is true, India is very socially complex. However, something I see in India that I haven't really seen elsewhere is how big they are on being vegetarian. People in India aren't all forced to be vegetarians, many are very proud of being vegetarian because the major religions of the nation all say something about killing animals, like even Muslims have Halal meat rules. There's been a discourse there for thousands of years in that culture that has made people want to be vegetarians. With 30-40 percent of the nation identifying themselves as vegetarian, they are a functionally vegetarian nation.
You are right though, we need to teach children to think about animal welfare more.
but as @aaaaaaadjsf mentioned, it goes beyond just hunger and more of a treat.
The day South Africans realise our processed meat heavy, and simple carbohydrate heavy diet of vleis and pap, is giving us cancer and diabetes, is the day this country collapses lol. People here love our simple food treats here way too much. A bodybuilder over here went viral for trying to lose their abs over Christmas dinner by just eating everything and anything.
I simply refuse to click and expose the image.
What if the bacon consents?
