i'm not saying they don't, i just remember back in my heyday (message boards, myspace, soulseek, irc) my indie music passion was stoked so hard, steeped in all sorts of deep discussions and camaraderie
i never gave up that passion for music, i'm always checking out new bands and going to a lot of shows. i used to meet so many fellow fanatics and talk and get to know people at shows, now everyone scrambles for the exit before the encore is over. i find new bands with sizable followings, but there's NOWHERE to discuss the music. you have to go to super niche subreddits and hope there's enough genre crossover to hint at a discussion. no one buys albums anymore, it's all singles and streaming
are we just atomized and consumed by the spur of the moment, or am i just suffering from a case of the olds?
edit: btw i'm down for more recommendations, i listen to a little bit of everything
Because our lives are too busy being terrible to really refine much. We're too busy doing homework listening to "lowfi hip-hop beats to kill yourself to."
Because our lives are too busy being terrible to really refine much.
this part actually connects. like over time, but especially since the pandemic hit, my brain is just a scattered mess and i find i can't focus on anything really
music doesn't have the same beat, food has lost flavor, and i can't sit through more than 20 minutes of tv or movie
(music still sounds extra dope on a cocktail of drugs though)
On the bright side, the "food has lost flavor" part might just be covid.
I went and talked to someone, and they wanted to put me on some SSRIs. I declined because I can't imagine starting a round of meds in this volatile climate is keen for mental health, and I'd like to keep my wits about me. shrug
Honestly they might be worth trying if you are struggling. I've been in some bad places this year and at least for me SSRIs are really effective. Obviously very personal, but if you can find one that works for you they aren't numbing or dulling. For me they mostly stop me reaching the really deep lows, and I feel otherwise normal.
My fear is that so many people in the US depend on SSRIs. What happens when the next disaster screws up supply chains enough to force everyone to pause their mind meds? Can't be good for chaos control.
yeah I don't get why people think lowfi etc is unskilled or not musically interesing
i listen to it when i draw. it's relaxing and atmospheric and that helps get me in the zone
Hot take but the financial crisis followed by heavy gentrification in hip urban neighborhoods ruined the small time music game. Now nobody can afford equipment and practice space and bands don't really make money until they're pretty big. A lot of small venues, especially little punk spots closed down and we're replaced with artesanal soap stores and shit
Now nobody can afford equipment
No way, the opposite is true. It's never been more affordable to play, mix, and master your own music these days
which means that it's a lot harder to get yourself noticed. something like, say, the strokes was innovative 20 years ago but now there is an over saturation of that same sound and you're only likely to make it big if you're an industry plant/have connections.
very true. killer username btw, saw a dope show with her and japanese breakfast
Some good music, great live performance, but seems like an unpleasant person, she complained to the audience that we weren't as energetic or as many as the people at the other stages at the festival. That was weird, pretty awkward. She said something like "there seems to be a party over there", not the worst thing, but she barely said anything the whole time, just did her thing and left, saying thank you for coming once monotonously, not what you'd expect. Just my impression, but maybe I don't get her style or she had a bad day
Some people are just sort of awkward on stage. I've seen Mitski three times and each time she kills her set while not really saying much at all. Strikes me as a quiet person in front of a large audience, and that's not such a bad thing.
Yeah for sure, in this case I think it would be better if she didn't say anything because she seemed cold and indifferent, but my reaction is also a consequence of expecting artists to put on an act and be super grateful
Yeah I think our brains are broken to expect everybody to act like the cashiers at Chick-fil-A where they thank us for existing with a smile because the Customer is Always Right.
That's kinda it, but then in this case it's an artist's fans, I can't imagine not at least being polite towards those who appreciate your creative work.
i've seen her twice. she's not the one for stage banter and that seems to be a consistent thing over the years. she's addressed the criticism before and if you're interested in her response i found an article about it. personally i don't mind the lack of stage banter. seen her by herself with only a guitar and i've seen her with a full-backing band, dancing on a table and maybe she's gotten better with addressing the audience over the years. a few years ago, in a bar that doesn't exist anymore, she sung in a room with only a few hundred people and hardly addressed the audience outside of her songs. in the last show i saw her in 2019 (her last tour before her hiatus) in front of thousands of people she made some funny quip to the kids in audience regarding the presence of the f word in her songs. and also to all of the audience: "I love you."
Thanks for the link, I was trying to find some article about her personality on stage. I saw the one with the table and band too in 2019
thanks! i have been listening to her over the years and it's wonderful to see her become more widely recognized. i hope she's doing well right now with her current hiatus. she tweeted once, when people were inquiring about how her skin had gotten clear, that she was now "able to pay for health care, a proper diagnosis, + medication, +… able to afford to turn down tours/work to make time for the doctor". maybe i don't notice when other artists do this but she's been quite frank about her experiences working as a touring artist and it's given me more perspective about capitalism and the music industry. like i think she once tweeted about how she never had a place to call home because she was constantly touring all the time. her last tour did remarkably well and i hate the idea that she'd have to come out of hiatus because the money made for merch sales and streaming is nowhere near enough to live comfortably on. i do miss her music very dearly but i sure as hell would stay retired, especially now, if had the means to!
This is rediculous, you couldn't be more wrong. It's literally the opposite because people can make connections over social media.
This said, like everything it depends on what part of the country you're in, but before the pandemic things had become especially centered around only the biggest cities.
Making connections over social media probably doesn't materialize into real life bands that often though. Fully digital music is way more common now because that really is easier to make. I think music has become less social though.
It does when people relocated to big cities like LA, NYC, Atlanta or Nashville all depending on the genre. You see tons of young soundcloud artists getting houses with other aspiring music people and they just work all day.
zoomers are straight up making more music than any generation before has
you're literally asking why a generation that primarily forms and socializes with groups over the internet doesn't hang out at a sweaty stanky ass crowded venue to say to complete strangers "hey did you hear that song yeah i heard that song too it was good lol"
if you need any more discussion than the comments on a youtube or soundcloud page I dunno what to tell you, or what you're even going to talk about other than like... music theory maybe? lol
if you need any more discussion than the comments on a youtube or soundcloud page I dunno what to tell you, or what you’re even going to talk about other than like… music theory maybe? lol
usually just sharing band recs, favorite songs, interpretation of lyrics. also it sometimes lead to fucking
zoomers are straight up making more music than any generation before has
in spades, it's just challenging to browse through convoluted and immense sites like soundcloud
also the signal to noise ratio is really really really low (if you're brave enough to be a tastemaker)
band recs are now done by AI much better than an internet rando can, you can talk about your favorite song on the comments of its youtube/soundcloud/bandcamp page, interpretation of lyrics are crowd sourced at sites like genius lyrics and talked about on YT/SC/BC comments, and most created content being meh is a very weak argument to use when it applies to literally everything at all stages of history
most created content being meh is a very weak argument to use when it applies to literally everything at all stages of history
i have no musical talent but even i've contributed to the dump and dropped a couple singles, technology wouldn't have given me that option generations ago, and no one would have granted you studio access if it was gonna be a waste of time
yes, that's literally a good thing
"music was better when it was easier to sort through fewer albums curated by corporations and profit" is a fucking terrible take, and music recommendation AI is 1000% better than some boomer in a suit deciding what music you listen to instead
honestly yeah, i'd rather go to a used bookstore than pore over the internet archive's collection of slash fiction and blog posts, but totally right about AI, basically rendered the personal recommendation irrelevant
But AI is the aggregated personal recommendation's of many unknown persons?
One of my favourite pieces is Mozart mocking the sort of mediocre music made by bad country composers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFPoRmsiFzc
You clearly are not listening to 100 gecs and their adjacents. PC-esque music feels pretty young and alive right now.
Nice, sounds pretty dope. I like this comment on a video: Sounds like Kidzbop but not for kids
Glad to see this here, I am just one old gen-z/zillenial, but personally 100 gecs, pc music, and similar stuff has absolutely transformed my music tastes and made me excited about music again. Snapped me out of a rut and I am so happy about it.
100% agree. I remember being so excited about Charli XCX dropping her quarentine album and realizing I hadn't been this excited about an album in years. The hyperpop ridiculousness of all those folks has got me falling in love with new music all over again.
100 gecs is only the latest in a long line of music like this. It's just that underground scenes only really thrive in NYC and LA. Most new music with a national audience are reaching people through things like tik tok.
I was listening to 100 gecs and thought "this isn't new, this is just upgraded hot topic twee shit from 2008". People get so ruffled about 100 gecs and they're fine, catchy even.
I'm gonna go listen right now actually.
Yeah there are mad zoomers discovering krayshawn for the first time because of tik tok and 100 gecs. When in reality she's been around there all this time, hell, I once saw that she was hosting a mental health seminar in some club in LA lol.
This comment finally prompted me to take a listen, and I'm frankly disappointed at how boring it is. Guess I'm old now.
yeah reading thru some of this thread and seeing a lot of out-of-touch practically boomerisms lmao. CNN headline "do zoomers even listen to music wtf??"
Yeah it's still a social activity of course, but he has a point about how many people just have good headphones and don't invest in good speakers, but maybe that's more music being more private within families? I don't know any people who blast music in their rooms and have their family complaining like people used to
Protest music of the Bush era - that's what we had to "look up to"
jk we also had nofx, sleater-kinney, and a host of other hot stuff
but nothing compares to the punk of the 70s
what was controversial about that video? i thought it was pretty good, Rent seems tone deaf for the modern epoch
i have a fuck the police song but too lazy to finish it i can send you an email
I know some boomers who call themselves music connoisseurs then show off their shelf of 40 vinyls, none from after 1975
i will download and go through that volume of music in two weeks
I'm a zoomer and I enjoy music a bunch. My friends do as well however our music tastes don't seem to overlap.
So I'm definitely suffering a case of the olds. Navigating and personalizing Discord felt complicated and intimidating. I'll give it another shot.
edit: gave it a shot, figured it out, music-wise, I plugged in my favorite genres, and all the top channels are utter ghost towns :(
Don't leave us hanging, do they think like Volta is her best work or something?
"Oh I love Mars Volta, definitely up there with MCR as the best punk bands of the 21st century."
There's something similar in that meme about hippies taking hallucinogens to reach nirvana, while current day kids take microdoses to maximize productivity.
The music of our age seems to be these lo-fi, trip hop etc YouTube videos. Perfect for playing while working, studying. Enough bass to cover the annoying sounds of cramped living in substandard buildings.
All zoomers aren't listening to the same music on the radio. There is no shared musical experience across the country, you go to Spotify or Youtube and find what you want
