- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@sh.itjust.works
- globalnews@lemmy.zip
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
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Learn how federation works
I think they know quite well how it works, and hexbear. Hence the comment.
If they understood it then either they are a conspiracy theorist or they wouldn't call it a "brigade"
Yet they say,
Learn how defederation works
This is just a silly "no u". We're federated, not defederated, so one is relevant and not the other at the moment.
Do you think you'll stay federated?
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do you even know who runs your instance and makes those decisions?
If they're going to be that stupid I'm not staying on the instance
go to lemmy.world loser
You are welcome to defederate yourself
Your leader likes defenestrating people
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Lemmy dot world is always there if you want an instance that defederates from leftists and federates with your "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" types.
Hexbear has been using Lemmy for years, technical issues around our active user count and having to rely on volunteer labour means we were only able to federate recently.
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Defend genocide? Please elaborate. We definitely do not support the NATO led genocides of the third world
Behold he politics understander and one true leftist
epic le comeback redditorino
Yep, and choosing who to federate with is part of it. GTFO.
Then go make your own private instance where you can federate with whoever you want and keep the mean old tankies out
Mask off already? Damn, that's kind of against the rules
What mask? I'm an ML and have never claimed otherwise on this account or its alts on any instance.
And being an ML isn't against the rules, so don't bog down our dear admins with superfluous reports.
"Tankies are bad."
Do you believe that that because you genuinely believe that capitalist nations like the United States and Russia are doing good things for the world, while "tankie" countries like Cuba and China are doing bad things for the world? Or do you believe that because you have been tricked by 100 years of racist propaganda that says socialists like Fidel Castro, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King were subhuman scum?
lmao How many times has that worked on anyone, honestly? Like I'm just gonna wake up one day and say, "yeah, you know what, my entire worldview has been shattered by @KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net whispering sweet commie propaganda in my ear"
Idk why you are all on stuck on the tankie shit like it matters that much to me. Like I said previously, I don't have a problem with the Christians for being Christian, but just like you tankies, the fandom is weird, intense and circlejerky af
IDK man. You're basically saying "Why are you stuck on that environmentalist shit? It doesn't matter to me. Go worry about climate change somewhere else, stop bothering me."
My brother in christ. Climate change will affect you whether you want it to or not. Capitalism will affect you whether you want it to or not. You can't just be "out" of it. You can't not take a side in whether the earth gets destroyed or not (environmentalism) or whether 90% of the world's population is plunged into neo-feudal slavery. You're either with the slave-owners or against them. You gotta pick a side!
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The delusions have become paranoid
Who is 'tricking' you, and how? What the ever living fuck are you talking about?
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Oh fuck they figured us out, you're the first person we couldn't trick. You truly are capitalisms bravest soldier. I'm sure that'll matter when the rich go to space or bunkers or whatever.
Lmao scientific facts are tricks now?
Known capitalist evil practices do not absolve tankies of wanting to impose communism by force.
You use the term "racist propaganda" interchangeably as anti-socialist propaganda...as if the only victims of capitalism were the victims of racism.
Who calls MLK and Einstein scum? Maybe Fidel was called that by right-wingers during the Cold War. Why did you mix and match those 3? Why not Emma Goldman or Gorbachev, if you're just naming random socialists (I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist).
Well then.
"I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Today, capitalism has out-lived its usefulness." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell." - Martin Luther King Jr.
(from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/21/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-martin-luther-king-jr)
It says a lot about the education system wherever you come from that you never learned MLK was a socialist. He HATED capitalism! Hated it! Also, the scientist Albert Einstein was a prominent socialist who wrote a famous article, "Why socialism?" explaining in detail why he was a socialist. Einstein and MLK believed in the same anti-capitalist struggle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F
Good, as long as you're not a Brezhnevian tankie, it's all good.
Lemme go get my white grocery bags
ok he walked off and the tanks kept going? what are you saying? have you even seen the whole video
Bruh, it was a throwaway reply just like that stupid meme. What are you even replying to looking for a meaningful argument, honestly
It doesn't count that I said something stupid! It doesn't count because I wasn't serious! It doesn't count because I didn't think about it! That means I get away with saying stupid things!!
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we're communists, jan
You don't say! I would've been clueless like walking into a room full of vegans
Jokes on you lib,
too
of course
we're all vegan and we're coming to burn down your farms
This site is significantly vegan to the point where there is cw on pics of food from animals.
please show us this rule
I present you the side bar ->
is the "no tankie" rule in the room with us right now?
Nee help reading? I'll spell it out: P-R-O...
P-A-I-N-E
L-A-P-S-E
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OK what is and isn't propaganda aside, can you explain how merely saying "I'm a tankie" is "posting propaganda"?
We were invited here by the Lemmy.ml mods on behalf of their community. If the majority of users on Lemmy.ml wanted us gone then the Mods wouldn't have federated with us in the first place. Maybe you misread the community you joined 2 months ago? The mods of Lemmy.ml sure as heck didn't misread hexbear before federating with us.
Oh sure 😂
They sure as hell aren't gonna misread the comment sections now
What's hilarious is that you think your mods are on your side in this fight. Why did you think they invited us here?
You've been here for two months. You don't know what the history of the website is. You don't know the character of its administrators. I've got a secret for you: they're leftists like us. In fact the whole lemmyverse was created by Marxist-Lenninists. This must be the very first time you've ventured out of your information bubble. Welcome. We're going to bully the shit out of you until you can behave amicably. Did you think you could just show up to someone else's community and start acting like you owned the place? There will be no eternal september here.
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Then fucking check yourself, liberal. When you abuse the word 'genocide' you diminish it. You are doing the work of the nazis in making what they did (and this is what the westerner thinks of when they use the word genocide) seem no worse than the things you apply the label to in your cynicism or ignorance. And this was their literal strategy. Google "the double holocaust myth". When they were still in uniform they applied this strategy to the USSR (which could be one of the examples you're vagueposting at me over). You will find, if you dig into that search, documentation by Jewish hate watch groups to that effect.
I fucking mind genocide denial as much as you pretend to. So knock it the fuck off.
And go fuck yourself for calling me that.
You don't know what leftism or genocide is
If you think Russia isn't going genocide then you can't be helped
???? When did I support Russia?
So what, just because I don't side with genocidal Azov means I must side with Russia?!
Lmao.
You're supporting policies and actions that lead to genocide. Either you're dumb or you're malicious.
I don't support genocidal Azov Nazis, if that's what you mean.
How is promoting an end to the war through peace talks genocide again?
You're promoting an end to the war that involves allowing Russia to complete its genocide. There's no peace talks to be had, Russia just have to leave.
Wtf are you even talking about? What part of peace don't you understand? Remove your brain worms and stop taking the piss.
Most people on lemmy came here because they didn't like the way reddit was moderated. If you don't like how Lemmy.ml s moderated you can go somewhere else like back to reddit or make your own instance. "Be the change you want to see in the world." This is 100% a "you" problem and it is funny (in a sad sort of way) that you think otherwise.
Duh, and somehow irrelevant, but nice try
I'm not gonna let some scumbag tell me to leave. Federating with you all has made this site worse and we'll see how well this goes. This is not a "me" problem, but a "you bunch of scumbags" problem.
I'm not telling you to leave. I kinda like you. All I have to do is exist and you suffer. I don't really care if you to suffer but it does validate my self worth that I can effect you so easily. Your stubbornness makes me like you more because you refuse to disengage from validating my ego.
My previous comment was just trying to be fair and explain why leaving Lemmy.ml was the only likely way to end your pain at having to hear opinions you don't agree with but I guess I made it too complex. Enjoying your suffering is only fair if you are doing it of your own free will.
You also aren't using the "you problem vs me problem" meme correctly. The idea is that a "you problem" is something that only inconveniences you and and thus you are the one who has to fix it. We "bunch of scumbags" are actually quite happy with how things are going and as such wont be trying to change anything. And I as I was trying to explain I doubt anyone else (AKA moderators) is going to come fix things for you.
I hope you continue to spend lots of time on Lemmy.ml (you know the M L stands for Marx and Lenin right?) We hexagonal ursines will enjoy our time visiting here.
What a fever dream. TL;DR?
How do you know it is a fever dream if you didn't read it?
If you can't read something under 300 words you really don't have an opinion that matters.
I have a sixth sense, like ESPN or something. Or maybe I skimmed it. Who knows!
You're absolutely right, I have no opinion on it
Damn you're such a pathetic little baby lmao, you should have disengaged like 20 comments ago.
Bruh that's a one minute read
It's not a click bait sensationalist headline.
New study shows that both Democrats and Republicans demonstrate low levels of reading comprehension
"Scumbag"= "Anyone who is opposed to me, the main character of reality"
"Scumbag" = "Shitheads looking someone to pile on and shit on because they said something the horde didn't like"
Sorry, I forgot I'm supposed to be the NPC here and lay on the floor soaking punches for your pleasure
Fucking scumbag
Na , the NPC is then a "NPC" if he can not process new information , thereby he lays on the Floor repeating the same old "Offical Narrative" , like he was Programmed to... therefore NPC
here can you process this new information ? This is a Test , Are you somebody that repeats or are you somebody that thinks ... here @Lemminary@lemmy.ml ,.. you can now Test yourself , Bladerunner.. , NPCs can not Process Images , can you ?
Wandering into a communist website and refusing to leave lmao have fun baby
Lmfao I don't think you guys get it. I'm not against communism 😂 This isn't politics. But just like with the Christians, I having trouble with the fucking fandom right now. JFC you all are awful in every way. Funny because I keep getting called a Redditor for some reason and yet you all reply just like them.
When everyone you meet is a scumbag, maybe it's not us, maybe it's you?
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the lemmy.ml admins like us lol
You got me there! I admit that I absolutely did not read that stupid AMA
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" 😂" does not fool anyone in the year 2023, everyone knows "😂" means
I actually dont can you tell me lol
Imagine emojis having different meanings outside your circlejerk. It's hard to imagine the world outside, huh
Yeah to be fair it can also mean
Yep, in your bubble, but if you step outside some time...
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I guess I should switch servers then
If you make your own instance, you can curate your own whitelist
Huh??? Did you make that choice?
Someone who can will in a minute, if y'all keep this up. I'm not worried.
My man here thinks he's still on reddit.
Umm, I don't think you realize how the fediverse has panned out in the last year, but go off with your lame attempts at an insult
Ooh, watch yourself with those sharp emojis, you might just dismember someone online with those
I'm dying, the memeing is too much, what a dunk
Asking for a helping finger? I'm not your buddy, pal
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lmao a fucking south park chud of course that tracks
Pointing right back at'cha
Lemmygrad was the federated instance in the last year lmao
we've been on lemmy for 3 years. when did you join again?
Damn, the threshold for responding with your teenage dreams as an emote keeps getting lower and lower. You wish I was that upset lol
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Whatever that means, you first
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I love watching a good spitroast
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Idk how to break it to you guys, but the magic corn cob does nothing to someone who can't give two shits about it. It's hard to hear, but please don't cry.
(Besides, it looks like you're creepily inviting people to some kinky fun times and that's infinitely more hilarious. Like I said, you all suck at your own memes.)
southern girls make do
Well I ain't southern nor a girl, sweetheart, but I do spit in the bucket from time to time if you know what I mean
casual homophobia, cool!
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Brigading is whenever a Hexbear user uses the site like literally everybody else that got here.
Brigading is when you federate and use the federation
what happened to
?
Main Character Syndrome is symptomatic of lib-brain. SAD!
Never heard of hexbear but why does an instance that claims to be leftist use Trump memes and back Russia?
Trump is funny. Obviously. Terrible but hilarious. We don't back Russia we just understand NATO to generally be far more destructive and deadly. That's just old Tom Bombadilaros thoughts.
That's so dumb... To consider a defensive alliance more destructive and deadly that a corrupt state waging a war of expansion
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A defence of what? The people who invented global warming? Nah, hard pass.
Sure it's defensive, I just wish the people it's defending were attacked more
Hell yeah brother we defended the shit out of Libya
A Defensive alliance made up of all the great colonial powers.
Defensive alliance that bombs every third world country that dares to go against the interests of the imperial core? Who are they "defending again?
Also how much has NATO expanded since the end of the cold war with its mafia protection racket style tactics in Europe?
NATO is defensive? lol, lmao
That's Ukraine, it used to be considered the most corrupt place in Europe by the Western media right until February 2022
That's also Ukraine since they're trying to take territory from the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics after they declared independence following the coup against Viktor Yanukovych in 2014
"That's so dumb, to consider a defensive alliance with the Serbian Black Hand more destructive and deadly than the Central Power's Imperialism waging a war of expansion" -Average Allied Nations Second International Member, 1914
Serbia, Libya, and Afghanistan were all defensive operations.
this is why we support Russia (Donbass to be Precise ) , this is also why Propagnda does not only happens to "other people" Mr. @Revanee@lemmy.one
A military alliance of several superpower nations VS one angry revanchist state. Who's more dangerous?
Russia - starts wars and threatens nuclear holocaust - you sleep
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
Russia's #1 export is troll farms and that's why Russia is the most hated country in the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate Russia.
How many millions of civilians were murdered/killed/starved/driven from their homes/displaced by American and NATO led imperialist wars such as the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, or Isr*el's genocidal occupation of Palestine, which is proudly supported by the US and NATO?
Fewer than Russia but you LOVE when Russia does it.
You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That's actually one of the most wild liberal claims I've ever seen, and thats saying something. You've lost attachment to reality.
Prove me wrong. If you can't, well of course you're a troll farm and you're part of the reason Russia has a reputation as the shitstain of the world.
You made the extraordinary claim. Your job to provide proof.
Also I'm an American communist from New England. One of the posts on my profile is about weird shit in the American Pie movies. Another recent one you can actually see is about Skyrim. Clearly troll farm shit. (I'd point out the idea that the Kremlin would bother to astroturf lemmy is INSANE, but that ones been falling on deaf ears because you all are so self important).
So I'm supposed to believe that a bunch of queers are simping for a dictatorship that murders queers?
Jesus I really doubt someone with Fae in their name is cishet but you used that word really slurishly.
I'm not. Looking at the Ukraine War with the nuance and knowledge of geopolitics it deserves isn't simping for Putin. I hate the Putin regime, especially what they do to their queer community. Its not like Ukraine is that much better on queer issues though?
My posting history goes back three years before federation. You'll find very few of my posts were about the Ukraine war.
I'm obviously queer af. And wtf about that was slur, and how could you be more bothered that someone used the word "queer" online more than a dictatorship that genocides queer people.
Unless you hate queer people, and hate being reminded they exist, and you want them to be removed from the world.
What nuance? No one from Hexbear has posted anything nuanced, it's all whataboutism of every other country that isn't Russia.
Y'all are literally more offended than anyone would criticize Russia than anything else.
I am a bisexual man. I have two girlfriends and they are both trans. I have a trans cousin. And a litany of trans and otherwise queer friends, on and offline. The way you used queer in your post came off slurish whether you intended it or not. If you want to do liberalism solipism and not believe I could genuinely hold these positions as an american queer go ahead, but I do. I can both hate the Vladimir Putin and the Russian government for what they are doing to their queer population (I am actually very upset and offended by that, much more than your slightly slurish use of the word queer), and recognize that America and NATO do more evil in the world in general than Russia could ever dream of. And that if I want to advance the cause of Communism, the current imperialist world order lead by the United States needs to fall first.
People have posted about the history of the War in Donbass, Ukraine's Nazi problems that the western media was admitting to right up until the invasion, and NATO encirclement plenty.
I would like to remind you that this is a thread about the Ukraine war. In other threads, believe it or not, we talk about other subjects.
hey are you and your two girlfriends single
I mean, one has like 20 other partners and the other one has one other partner so its an open polycule I guess lol, though I dont know any of the first's other partners. I do exchange Star Trek memes with the second girlfriend's girlfriend though.
Russia is more imperialist and more capitalist than the US.
Communism, like actual communism? Sounds great to me.
Russia? Is just as close to communism as the sun is to being cold.
Russia is not even close to being more imperialist than the US. I'd describe its actions in Ukraine as revanchist, not imperialist, and to be clear thats still bad. But United States does like 1000% the amount of neoimperalist garbage throughout the global south and thats well documented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
And that article is just the overt stuff, not the just regular old economic plundering of the global south they get up to usually.
More capitalist? Eh, I guess that can be argued. Both countries are run by oligarchs though. The USA is just more polite about it.
We don't disagree on this and I never stated otherwise. You have very clearly strawmanned me.
I put forth the idea that an oligarchy where the oligarchs are somewhat nerfed by infighting and changing of power between presidents is marginally better than an oligarchy with a dictator that cannot be removed.
American oligarchs are barely infighting. At the end of the day, the capitalist class has class solidarity, even if they quibble over abortion. There's a communist term (you say you are fine with actual communism, so you shouldnt have a problem with it since its a term Marx invented) called "dictatorship of the bourgeoise". Thats what Americans live under. The difference between that and a more overt autocracy is basically politeness about it. I won't deny that the United States has better queer rights than Russia (for now... I'm not confident in how long that will continue to be the case, I am deathly afraid the United States is quickly sliding towards fascism) and I would rather live here than Russia as a bi man. On that we don't disagree. We disagree on the geopolitical implications of the War in Ukraine. We do not disagree that Russia's government is bad, or even that Putin did a bad thing by invading.
What's your goal then anyway?
Any time in history a dictator starts invading, it's never just one country. We literally just went through this with Hitler in WW2. Germany is just reuniting culturally similar people, and everyone looks the other way, until he isn't.
This isn't about just Ukraine. It's not the first or the last. Russia would happily conquer US territory if there was no one to stop him.
So what's your goal? Disband NATO, let the US fall?
Let China and Russia carve up the US between them?
Despite every valid criticism of the US, and they are endless, you admit it's better to live as a citizen of the US than under a homophobic dictator.
My goal is creating the material conditions for revolution, and for that to happen the global south needs to come out from under the imperialist heel of the United States and its allies. It is a completely necessary step towards communism. That does not mean I think that Russia is communist like you said before. It just means that I think the US and allies are the current greatest evil in the world and I support things that weaken its power. That is pretty much the ML view of geopolitics at its root. If the US and Russia were both equally or near-equally bad imperialist powers doing equally bad things around the world, I would feel differently, but they aren't.
And I don't think there's any evidence that Putin is an insane megalomaniac to that extent. With Hitler there was evidence, it was always part of his ideology. I definitely think its its wild to imply that he has ambitions conquering the US or anything like that. Thats just not based in reality. Based on the evidence I've seen, and the peace deals he has offered only to be vetoed by NATO, I dont even think he seeks to reconquer all of Ukraine. I think his invasion, as much as I disagree with it, was mostly motivated by Donbass and NATO encirclement.
See, this is where you are completely out of touch of reality.
There's no evidence that Putin ISNT another wannabe Hitler. He's a dictator that can't be removed because he kills off all his political rivals. He's a liar who will pretend his invasion force is just running training exercises. He's threatened to use nukes, even though it's basically just mutually assured destruction.
And sure, Putin now wants "peace" because this war is insanely costly for him, everyone expected Ukraine to fall within days. Putin was supposed to conquer Ukraine before NATO could act. So Putin has no choice but peace if he wants to keep the 1/5 he's already conquered. Pleace, that is, until he starts running training exercises along the border again.
The real question of the day for y'all is, why is Russia conquering neighboring countries instead of making alliances? Why didn't Russia and Ukraine start a Eastern European Treaty Organization? A treaty would have massively reinforced Russia against NATO without gutting it's military. I don't see any benefit for Russia turning it into a way except for Putin being an expansion thirsty megalomaniac.
Show me the numbers, liberal. Post your source for that wild claim.
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You're counting both sides but then blaming only Russia lol? Hard to take that seriously. Give us Ukrainian deaths, preferably only civilian deaths, and then we might have a conversation.
That would be the United States actually. Especially the last thing since Russia has never nuked anyone and America has.
You know how US Republicans like to claim that they are the party that ended slavery?
If you have to dig way back in history to make your point relevant and ignore everything that's happening in the present day, your point is stupid and your mental stretching looks ridiculous.
I don't have to dig back very far to find US atrocities actually. The Afgan war ended two years ago and was one of the counterpoints brought up to you.
But the idea that the United States is acutally better today than when they dropped the bombs is rich. At least we were nominally fighting fascism then.
ETA: OK so if by "nuclear terrorism" you mean... the mere act of having nukes and the implicit threat of using them. America has nukes too. Today. In 2023. Or is it only nuclear terrorism when bad country has nukes?
Putin has threatened nukes. Biden has not threatened nukes.
America was fighting a fascist enemy, not against fascism itself. America practically invented fascism.
There are no limit of ways to criticize the US, but it's slowly, marginally getting better. The US is slowly progressing.
Russia is getting worse.
You dont need to say the words "I threaten nukes!" to threaten nukes. Thats the whole point of mutually assured destruction. Merely having nukes is nuclear terrorism.
Well we agree on something lol.
The US is demonstrably getting worse on trans rights, an issue I assume'd you'd care about.
And its definitely not gotten better about imperialist power projection overseas.
Very much and on the STATE LEVEL, some states are taking right away. On a national level, trans people have never been so socially accepted before, and it shows. Trans people being out has never been higher.
Now in your precious Russia, your life is at risk just for being under suspicion of being gay, much less being publically trans.
State level for now . And those states are like half of them. The GOP is gearing up for a genocide, whether they'll be successful I don't know. But all my trans friends in the US are scared, including those living in Blue states. All of them wish they could get the fuck out of this country.
Stop this. Its a ridiculous strawman and I have stated that it is not my opinion multiple times. Russia is a hellhole in many ways and its record on queer rights is one of them.
And go where? Russia?
Maybe you can disband NATO, and they won't have to leave, you can just bring Russia here instead.
And while Putin is carting them off to camps, they can say, "well at least it's not the GOP."
No, they don't want to go to Russia. And you knew that, you're just being annoying and obstinate.
Your accuse us of obsession over Russia but you're clearly obsessively paranoid about them if you think NATO disbandment would lead to Russia conquering the United States.
Then go where?
If they want to get the fuck out of the US, where do they want to go and why aren't they going there?
who has Russia nuked
Putin has threatened to use nukes as recently as this year.
Are you defending a dictator who threatens to start a nuclear holocaust?
My favorite part is saying that Russia exports "Nuclear terrorism" when saying that Russia is worse than... the only country that has dropped a nuclear bomb.
Yeah, that really was the cherry on top of the
Sunday.
You ignorant gnome. We hate Russsia more than you. Russia is the liberal democratic nation built by the US from the corpse of our comunist forebears. I'd ask if you ever read a history book but your Midwest tag proves the only ones you got were written by Haliburton so it isn't your fault you are the way you are. If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Also, just do a quick browse of midwest.social vs hexbear. Your instance acts and talks like 4chan or the_donald.
Is it an actual book or is it wojak spam, because I love reading but your wojak spam is insufferable.
We are a quarrelsome bunch. We do not deny this.
Actual books
Russia is not liberal or democratic. It is a corrupt capitalist oligarchy/dictatorship with limited human rights. It was built by the US from the corpse of the USSR.
Y'all claim to hate Russia but also spend a suspicious amount of time defending it.
It is exactly as liberal and democratic as america.
Absolutely not. America is more liberal and democratic, even if marginally. America has not had a single dictator in power for 2 decades and it's actually fairly okay to be gay in America.
I would 1000% rather live in the US than live in Russia.
The US has more money. There are for sure places where there that is not true. As history progresses we will see which way America grows. I have no reason to expect it will become anything other than more russsia like as conditions intensify.
Literally just existing, chilling, sprinkling unexploded cluster bombs throughout the country side for Ukrainian children to step on for generations to come, vibing.
dog how can you be this clueless about NATO and still have such a strong opinion lmao
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1052756
the idea of NATO "just existing" is a straight up rejection of history
HOLLLLLYYYY FUCCCKKKIIIINNNNGGG SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT
We also use Hillary Clinton and Biden memes, doesn't mean we support them lmao.
Ever heard of this thing called "irony"? Might be worth checking out
Because Russia is the same as America in pretty much every way. So it is fascist infighting. Trump is also the same as pretty much the same as every other president. Liberals just hate him for idiosyncratic reasons. So it is funny
Russia is America's every bad quality dialed up to 12 on steroids. Russia actually manages to make America look good, that's just what a steaming pile of garbage Russia is. The bar is so low even America can get over it.
NATO - starts wars and keeps the meat grinder rolling all in the furtherance of capitalist dogma - you sleep
Russia - literally just exists - you wake
NATO’s #1 export is war and that's why NATO is hated around the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate NATO.
Russia starting a war with 350,000 casualties and threatening to nuke the West is not literally just existing. If Russia wanted to literally just exist, they never would have literally invaded another country while lying about "training exercises".
You're pro-Russian terrorism, it's not a good look.
NATO encircled a world power and for the last couple decades have worked to instigate a war that has led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people on the gamble that Russia would fall and allow the west to loot the country, exactly as they plan to loot a war torn Ukraine. For capitalism.
You’re pro-NATO terrorism, it’s not a good look.
That's pure speculation.
You literally have to create a fantasy about NATO doing something in the future to justify Russia actually doing evil things right now.
Being pro imaginary terrorism is way better than being pro real terrorism.
NATO started this war by intentionally instigating Russia into conflict, using Ukraine as a proxy. Multiple times NATO have stood in the way of peace talks. That’s terrorism.
Russia, defending ethnically Russian peoples against a state government hostile to their continued existence, and guarding against being encircled by NATO is not terrorism it’s kindergarten level geopolitics
Calling Ukrainians "ethically Russian" is a real fascist type of perspective.
Murdering Ukrainians and caring it "defending them" is just plan psychopathic.
The fuck are you talking about?
In case you're unaware, the "ethnically Russian" people being mentioned in the previous comment aren't Ukraine as a whole but the citizens of the Donbas who have been the victims of an ongoing genocide by Ukraine since ~2014.
Admit it, you just hate Russia because the name "Joey Steel" burns your fae lips to say.
This is true. Maybe nato has a history of behavior we could investigate to see what their likely actions are going forward... Yeah, turns out it is a literal nazi army created to do war crimes to keep capitlaism strong.
Literally makes no sense because capitalism would still be just as strong without NATO.
Brigading is when a post shows up in your all tab and you comment on it
federation isn't brigading. a post shows up in our feeds, we click on it and comment because helping people dodge the draft is cool and good. We're one of the largest instances, and the consensus we have on issues like "conscription is bad" should not be taken as coordination on the part of hexbear users. If we did deliberately coordinate we'd all link you clowns to the thread where we did it because it would be funny.
Propaganda is when you say the same thing Reuters, CNN, WSJ, etc are all saying about draft corruption in Ukraine lol
Actually mediabiasfactcheck.org says that Reuters is highly objective!
Zero pinnochios! That sounds very trust worthy!
I'm just here to laugh at bazinga dorks crying for mods
we've been doing lemmy shit for 3 years, youre brigading
Every wonder why this kind of liberal belief never just naturally develops in new communities like ours? Notice how they always have to insert themselves from outside and takeover modding to have any relevance? Yeah, that.
Idk if "commenting on a post from another instance that showed up in my feed because the instance I use is federated with that instance" is brigading.
No you dont understand, if I dont want you here then youre a PEST whose ATTACKING ME so you need to leave, mkay?
Very cool that the moment someone says "brigading" I can look at their profile and see, yup they joined in June. Wonder why that is 🤔
The wild canuck rages, for it has no values or culture to share
Dismiss the propaganda then?
If you're so eager to defend a military conscription/draft, why don't you go and fight on the frontline yourself? This whole article is about Zelenskyy cracking down on Ukrainian citizens avoiding the conscription because they don't want to be sent into the meat grinder that is the heavily fortified front lines.
It's always those that face the least consequences from war that are the most eager for it to continue.
the specter of stalins floating spoon haunts us to this day
If you feel more comfortable in your bubble go back to it
Oh man, that brings me back to the days when r/cth used to brigade other subs. Those were the times.
Never thought I'd live long enough to see it again...
The best part was that it was always just the fact we were all terminally online and saw the same frontpage threads as everyone else. It was (almost) never an actual brigade, just the result of having a bunch of very active posters with better politics than the average redditor. That's all it took to make the worst people on reddit
over being unable to consistently silence people with better opinions than their own.
Uh yeah... I'm thinvking it's hexbear time
Who's Hexbear?
Hexbear is a lemmy instance about the intersection of media, PR, and power, hosted by Nima Shirazi and Adam Johnson.
I just looked, and I think it'd be more accurate to call it a Neo-Bolshevik cesspit.
Another week old account on the block list, bye
I know. They like to spread dangerous misinformation that helps Russia and Trump take over the world. It sucks. I wish we had an instance just for us anti-authoritarians.
Sounds like Tommy Needy Drinky.
And it's better than yours
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Hexbear users rushing to bombard this comment with image reactions to say they're not brigading
Are hexbear users in this room right now?
no
cap
You act like whining about other people being on the same website as you isn't incredibly toxic behavior that deserves to be bullied.
Hexbear has been on Lemmy longer than 99% of instances. Unfortunately we were only able to enable federation recently due to technical issues.
So how are hexbear users the brigaders? Using your logic, you are the brigaders lol.
You're exactly correct! Lmao
I play "count the fallacies" with the comments. So far I've seen: ad homonim; what-about-ism; strawman ; appeal to popularity ; appeal to authority ; hasty generalization / ecological fallacy
I get bored well before I stop counting
God y'all really can't help yourself with the debatelord shit huh?
this is a pee pee poo poo fallacy actually
Lol I don't even bother with reading anything they say at all. I just block anyone who's on Hexbear, I must have half the instance blocked. And my experience browsing Lemmy has been so much better for it!
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GOD i hate these STUPID hexbears SO much it makes my SKIN crawl... Sure hope they're not reading this thread and brigading you.. Eek!
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Spoken like somebody who is definitely not mad.
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Definitely, definitely not. mad.
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You came out the gate with big mad tantrum insults, and now you expect people to have a dialogue with you?
You were never interested in "trying to have a conversation"
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“Everyone knows that the left and the right are the same and that the REASONABLE MODERATE CENTER is best! Right? Right? It’s not as though Biden is a war criminal rapist segregationist and virtually the twin brother of Trump, right? America might have some problems (ongoing slavery, genocide, imperialism, civilizational suicide via climate change) but it’s still overall a force for good, right????”
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lol what
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I’m frightened to ask about what their positions are on any policy at all. Let me guess: do what amerikkka says or your are helping putler. That kind of “marxist”?
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“I reject them both” = i luv amerikkka
It’s really amazing. “I reject them both, but very curiously I only criticize one. Why could that be?“🤔
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Your assumption that Ukraine is an independent country is already an implicit endorsement of American imperialism and slavery. Ukraine has not been independent since the Maidan Coup in 2014. There are recordings of Victoria Nuland confirming this; to deny it means that you are living in a fantasy realm, one paid for with the blood of slaves in the global south. And when you recognize that American imperialism and settler colonialism is a boot on the neck of the global south, you likewise understand that anyone fighting it deserves our critical support, even if they are not angels. Besides, even if everything liberals say about Russia is true, the Iraq War alone is and was a far greater crime than anything [the liberal Harry Potter-esque fantasy of] Putin could dream of. And besides, wasn’t the modern nation state of Russia created by American liberals in the first place? How much money did Clinton give Yeltsin in the 1990s?
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Which Ukrainian friends? The ones with swastikas tattooed to their foreheads?
This is projection and genocide denial, but scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Why did the Maidan coup government ban the Russian language in Ukraine and wage a campaign of extermination in the east claiming thousands of lives? Why did this government construct a statue to Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Lviv? Why are all socialist parties outlawed in Ukraine? Why does the Ukrainian constitution make reference to preserving the genetic purity of Ukrainian blood? Isn’t all of this strongly suggestive of the possibility that Ukraine is, in fact, run by Nazis, as almost everyone outside of the imperial core (and nearly half of Ukrainians themselves) believes?
It’s extremely clear to me as a Jewish person that anyone fighting Nazis is a potential friend. But maybe for someone whose grandparents were probably Nazis themselves, it’s not so clear. I’m afraid of asking you your opinion about the Roma people or immigrants fleeing capitalist devastation in Africa or the Middle East—I’m guessing your ideas and actions happen to just coincidentally line up with those of Nazis in these cases as well?
Israel should not exist. I always support the world’s workers—while you support the tiny minority of people who enslave them and drink their blood.
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How are gay people treated in Ukraine? What's their situation like in the USA these days under the adamantine aegis of the demokkkrats?
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Oh my god dude. I asked your opinion about these issues, and guessed about your beliefs. You still haven't answered my numerous questions because you have no answers—this is why you are so angry and so defensive—you are still trapped inside the invisible prison of liberal ideology. You (almost certainly) believe that Russia should be exterminated—sorry, I mean, their government should be overthrown and replaced with amerikkka-backed definitely-not-Nazis, who will certainly have the best interests of the Russian people at heart. This probably means you feel the same way about various underclasses around the world, including homeless gay people, including homeless trans people, including all the LGBTQ+ people exterminated in amerikkka's recent imperialist wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc. Oh wait, I forgot, you said you were against america’s actions abroad—although you trust america in Ukraine and you trust the american media that lied about Iraq. If I'm mistaken, please enlighten me!
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Refusing to answer the question yet again. What should happen to Russia? Answer the question without sounding like a Nazi. You can’t!
“I throw some money their way (at tax-deductible do-nothing nonprofits) sometimes, my many numerous friends—whom I definitely have and are not made up at all—support them, now stop asking me about what should be done with them because I cannot answer this question just as I cannot answer any of your other questions!”
The SDP ordered the Freikorps to murder Rosa Luxemburg, I’m guessing this is the “marxist” party you voted for. I know you’ll deny it, but you’re so much more transparent than you realize. You’re only against amerikkka when it comes to issues that the corporate press gave up on supporting many years ago. Wherever it fully counts, you are 100% onboard with whatever the nazis in the CIA are telling you via whatever bourgeois media you lap up like the running dog you are. This is why you ignore the nazis running the USA and whatever european shithole you live in and focus all your ire on Russia instead.
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You’re not answering questions again because you don’t have any answers. If your Ukrainian friends are making excuses for a government run by Nazis, I have some bad news for you.
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Did I hallucinate the statue which the coup government in Ukraine constructed in Lviv to honor a Nazi collaborator?
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I get that you guys love seeing trump do stupid shit and abuse his power as president, because it vindicates your view of the US government, but still, the asshole that tells his fans to harass people and shits on rule of law is objectively worse than the ones who didn't, please. I thought one of hexbear's redeeming qualities was at least anti-homophobia, anti-misogyny, etc. This whole "trump is no worse than anyone else" is just crypto-trumpism and one example of why you guys are accused of being the lefty version of MAGAts.
Roe v. Wade was undone and LGBTQ+ rights are collapsing with Biden and the Democrats running the country. Biden also regularly sends the police to deport and/or imprison anyone who isn’t white. Nobody loves or funds the 100% nazi police more than Biden; Biden has actually signed MORE drilling permits than Trump. Biden and Trump are fascists, as are you for excusing them.
Hexbear User here: where did you see people claim Putin's Russia being a bastion of leftism?
I've been interacting with them recently to see what they are all about and lmao I don't think I've ever had a dumber discussion in my life. Truly they are uniquely stupid.
imagine being a grown ass adult and taking the time to write this comment
My cats have learned the wirr motor sound of the feeder means food. So they'll run from whereever in the house at an motor sound. Suddenly like "it's food time right? Right? But the noise means food...." Regardless of any further context.
Same same but different with hexbear.