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brigading is when you click on threads that appear on your front page
when you click
Its not fair that proletarian people are more numerous than my PMC class!!! Brigades are fascist praxis, actually
The real problem here is that posts exist at all. If there were no posts we wouldn't be commenting and dominating them. Abolish posting, embrace @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net thought.
The Alliance to Not Stop Posting About Stopping Posting grows by the day.
Petition to rename it to:
“The Radical Alliance to Not Stop Posting About Stopping All Posting”
Definitely not for better acronym reasons
The real problem is the written word. If there were no words we wouldn't see other people's tankie thoughts. Abolish literacy, abolish tankieism.
Edited to clarify: you do not, under any circumstances, “gotta hand it to” Pol Pot.
'Brigading' has always been such a Reddit term. People need to learn to adjust to a different way of thinking.
But they seem to be totally uninterested in doing anything other than dunking HARD on anyone to the right of Lenin.
Finally a lib that gets us.
In our defense we do a lot of dunking by posting sources and trying to coax people out of saying silly propaganda things. It just doesn't work very well.
And it's pretty striking how different Hexbear's tone gets when someone is engaging in good faith compared to someone spewing bizarre propaganda and refusing to engage with the argument.
Even the dunks usually start with making actual arguments and providing evidence in support.
anyone to the right of Lenin
Forbes headline: Finance capital is turning Ukrainians into drug addicted sex
slavesworkers who don't own their own farmland, here's why that's a good thingNot sure why liberals have this thing where you must immediately adopt the worldview of anyone who disagrees with you, but I guess it makes sense for a group of people who bow down to their opponents like piss in the wind
It’s funny how often I see moderation (across the fediverse really) where the mod team decides on a party line and then anything that goes against it is a bannable offense. Not based on actual content, just whether it upholds the agreed upon worldview
We could do a week long struggle session about whether gusano is a racial slur or not
I don't recall that ever coming up here. I think it's obscure enough that most people who aren't left don't know about it.
It comes up often from the Destiny/wider live-streaming community because it’s their way to hit left with racism accusations so they still feel like the “truest left” political formation despite being radlibs at best. I just know that’s a fight we wouldn’t walk away from
Weird. Good thing we can't systemically suppress the descendants of right wing Cuban-Americans who previously owned property under the Batista regime.
How could it even be racist it refers to a specific political group, not all Cubans. You have to be an anti-communist chud, preferably from Miami, who specifically hates Cuba because they stole your pappap's mob casino.
I just know that’s a fight we wouldn’t walk away from
Yeah.
That would be a whole ass thing.
it's not and the idea that it is anticommunist. struggle session over.
Of the two examples of problematic content for that instance given in this thread, we not only routinely do it, we have dedicated emojis for both lmao
BRB getting one of those obnoxious drone advertising swarms and writing "Racism is systemic not individual" over Manhattan.
The comment was mine, and someone responded basically calling me a nazi. Why is racism ok if it's against white people? Both Marx and Engels were white, does that make them capitalist libs?
Just to clarify, I was not saying that it's a common phenomenon in this instance, I just pointed out that I've seen it happen a couple of times, in contrast with the parent comment which said that the instance is racist to anyone not white.
White people are not oppressed on the basis of their skin color or "white ancestry" anywhere in the world. Slurs against marginalized peoples are reification of a violent system. Slurs against white people aren't.
Oh hey you're about to start the "can you be racist to white people" discourse again even though last time the answer was a resounding no.
I think it can be possible to be racist to white people on an individual scale, for sure. Or within small scale systems, like for example a school in a poor neighborhood where 95% of kids and staff are black, I definitely think white kids could experience discrimination from other kids in that specific microcosm.
But this is a technicality, a drop in a bucket, really. On a broader scale it's simply not a systemic issue.
I think that when we talk about racism (or patriarchy, for that matter) we're talking about wide systemic oppression, when liberals talk about it in their mind it's the 4th grade version of people being mean to each other based on skin colour. That disconnect between relations to power and individual acts of prejudice really trips people up, especially if they haven't been exposed to leftist (both communist and anarchist) thought.
when liberals talk about it in their mind it's the 4th grade version of people being mean to each other based on skin colour.
I think the question "Can you be racist towards white people" is about exactly this, though. I think when we're talking about whether we're racists for using the word "cracker", this is what we're talking about as well.
And it's not an illegitimate question either, it's not like people treating you differently because of your skin color stops being a thing past 4th grade.
I'm mostly being pedantic here. I think you can be racist towards white people, and I even think that white people can experience discrimination in our current world, but that is mostly hypothetical. It's delving into "What if the only way to save a child's life is to say the n-word" territory, honestly.
Right, but I think the larger point is that until white people become the victims of systemic oppression based on race, it's currently not possible to be racist towards white people by the definition of the word that includes power dynamics. Maybe that's why we have to clarify it as systemic racism.
Racism in the sense that we use it refers to systemic oppression, whereas an individual would be expressing prejudice or bigotry. Discrimination at such a small scale generally would not be considered racism because the neighborhood, at least in America, would still be part of the systematic oppression of black people in the US, and racial animus between the black students and white students would need to be understood within the context of the much larger system of racial oppression.
People get confused because there are multiple definitions of racism and the definition has shifted from racism on an individual level to systemic racism. You can be racist to white people if you define racism as being on an individual level, but on a systemic level being racist to white people is impossible. Because these definitions are not clearly set out, people get confused.
But this is a technicality, a drop in a bucket, really.
Hence why I am unconcerned with it, whatever other arguments there are here.
Why? What does race have to do with anything, this just makes your argument hateful and targeting a race instead of a political belief.
White perceptions are what end up counting in a white-dominated society. If whites say [Indigenous people] are savages (be they of the “noble” or vicious type), then by God, they’ll be seen as savages. If [Indigenous people] say whites are mayonnaise-eating Amway salespeople, who the hell is going to care?
honestly idgaf when somebody "targets" me for being white. I've never been structurally opressed and denied basic human dignity by my government for being a mayo, i've never had to worry about the possible consequences if i out myself as white, i've never gotten vicious glares and nasty comments and sexual harassment for looking as if get sunburn too easily, i've never had healthcare denied to me for being a cracker, i've never have been suggested conversion therapy to stop being a honky. I've experienced all of that and then some for being a trans woman. That's why i can use all of these "racial slurs" against my race and view them as funny banter while hearing any variation of the t slur makes my skin crawl: Because one is not connected to a lifetime of trauma inflicted on me for who i am, while the other is, and actively plays a part in fortifying and maintaining the system that holds a knife to my throat.
People can have prejudice against white people and can be hateful against them, but that's an insignificant, individual act of hostility that is not backed up by a systemic threat. Anybody who's ever had to live under a systemic threat should understand the difference. You can't be racist against white people, because racism is part of a power dynamic that in our world is a white supremacist one. Likewise, there is no such thing as discrimination against cis people or heterophobia or misandry. It's just not a thing because our society is still built to benefit cishet men and turn women and queers into a permanent underclass.
In what way does calling you a cracker reinforce a system of race-based oppression?
it's a just a mean word on the internet, cracker has no power, are the cops about to beat your ass and call you a cracker because you're white? no lol
Being able to make abstract arguments about political issues and not worry about race is exactly why we bring it up.
Do you believe that this current moment is completely isolated from the rest of history?
You only responded to the person who validated you on your terms and none of the people who had something for you to learn
I read the comments, I had nothing to say. I'm not sure I agree but I sort of understand.
Fair enough. And sorry about coming down on you. There's just a prevalent feeling of banging one's head against a wall that comes with politics that defy the overton window.
We throw around cracker, kkkracker, Yakubian bleach demon, mayo, and joke about mayocide a lot
and pretty much always in relation to white Americans doing something horrible or obnoxious. I don't think most people are using it in an essentializing way, which sounds weird, but I think we're using it for "White" in the sociopolitical sense, to highlight the power of white supremacy in politics by using pejorative words in a way similar to how white supremacists use racial slurs. So the joke isn't that all people with pale skin share common traits due to superficial appearance, but rather a way of mocking white supremacy and white American culture by juxtaposing it with white supremacist language. Which ties in to racism being systematic oppression and white people not being subjected to systematic oppression anywhere, thus you can't be racist against white people. Prejudicied? Bigoted? Sure, because those are individual qualities. But racism requires that there be a system of oppression in place that oppresses the group, and that doesn't exist for white people.Both Marx and Engels were white,
They're not white. They're Germans.
Whiteness is an artificial cultural construct synthesized during the colonial era as a means of constructing and justifying the artificial hierarchy of racial pseudoscience that spawned from the increasingly racialized chattle slavery that was perpetuated by, primarily, the British Crown in the Americas over the century of colonization prior to the declaration of independence by the 13 colonies.
Whiteness and who qualifies as "white" expands and contracts depending on the historical and material circumstances that arise from the economic base that undergirds the wider cultural superstructure. The most recent example is how turks, pale chicanos, and Ukrainians are concidered to be white while some of the former Yugoslav states, Hungarians, Russians, and Byelorussians lost their "whiteness" based off of their economic opposition to the U.S
The elimination of nato is one of the biggest and most pressing matters of leftism in the world today. Peace and prosperity can not be achieved without it. Nato is the most violent and aggressive alliance in the world.
Death to nato.
The most suspiciously fed-like leftists all support NATO
Every 'NATO leftist' seems suspiciously fed-like
Meanwhile, the number one priority of actual federal agencies right now is defending NATO (Specifically its image)
It's so painfully obvious what the key contradiction of the decade is, which is exactly why they send so many fake nerd accounts to debate it.
Because most NATO leftists are spoonfed enormous amounts of fed-provided propaganda. The best part is that they're more into NATO than the average citizen of their own country that probably doesn't even know wtf NATO is. One thing I found kind of shocking about the US is how little the average American actually knows about what goes on. The only people keeping track of this stuff on the regular were usually office workers that had the free time to care about this shit.
They've updated that statement to the following:
Politics alone isn't the issue. That's why hexbear isn't defederated. The issue with lemmygrad was the brigading, trolling, and being ok with wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)
"people of Nato"
Honestly what is this bullshit. Don't be mean to the willing participants in the machine that spits out death.
taking progressive language like "people of color" and twisting it to fit into a defense of the war machine, unsurprising!
It's heritage, not hate. We just want to preserve our traditional culture of imperialist gunboat diplomacy and support for fascist terrorist groups.
Every. Fucking Time.
Disagreeing with the worlds biggest and most agressive military organisation, one member of which has killed 4.5million and displaced 60million, isn't politics.
The US has killed way more than 5 million people. It was the main force against the DPRK in the Korean War and killed like 2 million Koreans in that conflict alone (idk how many Chinese)
I meant to add "in the last two decades" as that's what the report covers, but you're right. I've been at the football and the pub(s) and posted before my brain caught up.
wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)
"Death to NATO" is wishing death (dismantling) on the organization of NATO, not the people living there. As with "Death to America," etc.
INB4
i unironically want to be nuked by a Chinese Dongfeng 'East Wind'-27 hypersonic nuclear warhead
What a baffling statement. Are the admins related to Stoltenberg or something? Is almost everyone from Hexbear a person of the UN? Is aaaaaaadjsf a BRICSian because he's from South Africa? This brainrot of identifying with the nation-state is apparently now being extended towards a military alliance between nation-states.
In many ways, it's just the polite lib way of saying they uphold the West and the Western project of ruling the world like any other garden variety fascist.
Its just a sad
to avoid having to nuke us despite us all having the same opinion on as lemmygrad. Absolutely pathetic.
Please don't refer to them as NATOed people. Call them People of NATO
"People of NATO"
Is that NAFO? Because well...I might be okay with that yes.
"You see, the Nazis were bad, and I get that, but those soldiers that did all the genociding had families and stuff and I am sure they also liked the gays."
That's basically what I gathered from that admin in the 5 minutes I was over there.
NATO leftists strike again, or were they just going as "progressive"?
Adolf Heusinger must be protected from the mean pronoun-tankies, no matter the cost
That’s what’s so incredibly frustrating.
The man who was a critical component of the invasions of nations, including Poland; the staging ground for concentration camps that exterminated LGBT people.
He was not just a “person of NATO”. He was the chief of the military. But no. Can’t wish death upon their kind. Have to be civil to them. Libs
People really don't understand how online we are at all. They see a brigade when it's really just everyone piling in of their own accord to argue and have their say. But we post so much more than everyone else we end up dominating a lot of threads. Which is very funny.
Hexbear at this point is almost all of my internet time because everywhere else is liberalism. I imagine this would hold true for a lot of others as well
I'm not even that online, it's just that my time online is so concentrated on this single forum
Same. Personally, I’m a recovering terminally online liberal. Hexbear is now my home terminal
seriously. what else am i gonna do? get on facebook and scroll passed 8 sponsored posts about the latest pyramid scheme to see a post from distant cousin about going to take karate at the wrestle center so he can join Jim Caviezel's Army of Warriors and be in the Sound of Freedom 2 Official Music Video?
I mean it really is this. This space is just so much more conducive to online forum posting, just like in the good-ol-days before internet 2.0. And the other places on lemmy are, in general, incredibly boring and do not actually post all that much, while this place usually has new dumb shit every couple of days.
I don't even post that much, I just literally don't use any other social media.
I lurked
a ton before federation, but I have been there maybe 10 minutes in the past 5 days now. It's great!I quit reddit when they banned CTH, quit Twitter when Elon bought it, and hadn’t been on Facebook years prior for obvious reasons. Hexbear is the only place I engage outside of real life, everywhere else is intolerable.
I wasn't pro-disabling downvotes at the time but god damn what an unintended benefit
Can people logged into other instances downvote our comments on other instances?
It actually does, we just don't see the number change, so essentially we've got a big disadvantage but we're still beating their asses
We could say "death to anglo imperialism and its client states" but it's just not as catchy
Another overly wordy leftist hiding their shit takes behind big words!! Make dumber statements to I can maliciously misinterpret you easier!
ME NO LIKEY BIG WORD HURRRRR!!!!!
lmao shut the fuck up until you learn to read anything longer than the title of a reddit meme you racist piece of shit
Hey! I read half of atlas shrugged! Even the weird sex parts! I'm basically a PHD in politics so show some respect
apologies m'lord please spare me! I do acknowledge that I have no right to be punching above my intellectual weight class with such an august scholar of the politics
Folks, learn what is and isn't political!
"Death to Russia" "Putin is literally Hitler" "Every Russian who hasn't taken up arms against Putin is fair game" "LOL look at this sick video of some Russian getting turned into hamburger!" "We can't stop until Russia is demilitarized" = non-political, normal opinions
"Death to NATO" = political hate speechAt least they act against US interests sometimes
The International Monetary Fund would be a better target
really hate it when someone makes an air quotes "trans space" then tries to slam neoliberal ideology on it like the overwhelming majority (90%+) of trans people arent socialists
so afaik blahaj started without them and the admin didnt know what 196 was or something? basically it was a trans space that got invaded by chasers cause of liberalism
though my lore on this place isnt the best
people that fetishize trans people and treat them like shit, generally act like theyre gods gift to trans people too. they can be very sneaky and manipulative too, i had the misfortune of dating two chasers for 1-3ish months before.
Thank you for the explanation. Sorry you wasted your time with those jerks. All the best.
yeah. when you lie about your whole system of beliefs in order to get me to fuck you, its a bad time all around and the lies will be uncovered eventually. waste of everyones time.
I would absolutely not describe current 196 as a chaser space. I would say it is still heavily just a trans space, with a lot of a shitposts.
on reddit or blahaj? ive seen some creepy shit on both without bans. on hexbear stuff like that is instantly banned and removed and there is a large deference to trans users on calling out transphobia. and in fact ive noticed people being banned on 196 for calling out gross stuff
in fact i just saw a weird semi-transphobic thing here on hexbear recently, i reported it and 5 minutes later it was removed and the user warned (it was borderline based on context)
UGH they didnt even remove "Trans women are women. Girldick is best dick." ON THE SAME FUCKING POST COMPLAINING ABOUT TRANSPHOBIA AND CHASERS FROM 196. IT WAS A DIRECT REPLY TO THE MODS.
hexbear mods are the best mods, just more and more proof
Know that you are loved. ^And also sexually objectified. Sorry bout that... ^
punches someone in face
I'm very sorry that you had to experience physical violence
Someone needs to make a trans instance specifically focused on trans people and not on vaushite nonsense.
They'll come round. or not, but I'm not losing sleep over not being a Good Trans™ (she says at 2am)
is a slur confirmed
its almost like we told you dawg
