No real answers or policy proposals, blaming every problem on migrants (while Biden's policy on the border is largely a continuation of Trump's), just a bunch of bullshit "everything was great, now everything sucks, but I will make it great again". I honestly cringed at Trump more, Biden's ramblings at least were funny.
I can't imagine anyone who's undecided at this point listen to this and say "This guy will make things right". Trump's entire objective is to let Biden stumble and fall and then cruise to presidency, but he makes every effort imaginable to prevent himself from it. No zingers or clever retorts against a literal corpse (aside from maybe one "I don't know what he said and he isn't either"), just and abysmal performance. Honestly, even someone like Ramaswami would've dogwalked Biden.
If anyone is capable of losing to Biden at this point, it's Trump.
No zingers
c'mon responding to Biden saying "We finally beat Medicare" with "Yeah, you beat it to death." was pretty funny
that was the peak of the debate for me. they're just the same guy with a few cosmetic tweaks. this is a farce.
If anyone is capable of losing to Biden at this point, it's Trump.
ah yes, but - if anyone is capable of losing to Trump at this point, it's Biden.
the masons running an experiment to see just how stupid democracy can get before we stop believing in it. so far it looks like there is no lower bound!
It would be lowkey hilarious if Kennedy's support spiked based on the fact that he's a decade younger than either of them.
What do people see in Kennedy beyond the name? CHUD-lite?
The worst thing that Trump said during the debate was in the brief period when they were talking about Israel. Trump says that Biden should let Israel "finish the job" in Gaza. Trump said that Biden is a Palestinian. Trump uses the label Palestinian as a derogatory word.
Biden says Hamas is the only group preventing peace after describing a deal Hamas agreed to and Israel rejected
Trump calls out that actually Israel is the one preventing peace
“And they’re right to do so and should finish the job”
We knew this, right? There's a reason that Bibi has back stabbed Biden and is now begging for Trump - it's because Trump wants Palestinian children bombed more than Biden does, and he'll make more of it happen.
Also during Trump's presidency he did many things which hurt Palestinians and helped Israel, such as the Abraham Accords and moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He also cut funding to Palestinian aid groups, stopped funding to UNRWA. There's also speculation that his assassination of Qassem Soleimani was on behalf of Israel.
Well he's in a bind honestly, going by the people I know that profess to like Trump. They want imaginary stupid things that can't be said out loud without being obviously stupid or contradictory.
Like, he wants to run as anti-war, and also oppose a cease fire in Gaza? He wants credit for Afghanistan but not to accept that losing a war means an embarrassing retreat. He wants to support the Jan 6th people but also not get yelled at for being supportive of overthrowing the government. He's gonna end the war in Ukraine before he even comes in, but the terms Putin is asking for are unacceptable?
You have to keep banging on about immigrants because if you get concrete about anything else someone might notice that it makes no fucking sense.
The Trumpy anti-war stance basically means 'don't send US troops anywhere', they're usually fine with enabling Israel or other 'allies' to prosecute their wars/genocides. Opposition to the Ukraine wars is also more due to them liking Putin's anti-woke stuff instead of some kind of anti-imperialist principle.
The Afghanistan contradiction is also easily solved: Trump started to end that war (which he didn't begin), but 'Biden fumbled the withdrawal of troops making it a shitshow (and he was also there when the war began and intensified).
I mean, those are actual facts. Probably one of the few good things he's done, unironically (probably not for the right reasons, but still).
The spin there is twofold. First, while Trump himself likes to point out that the war on terror and the destruction of half the middle east was all dumb decisions, the media doesn't. Right wing media will emphasize that Biden was there with during the Iraq War, but won't necessarily condemn the war itself. The second spin is the idea that anybody could have done it better. It's a Saigon moment. The rapid collapse of the potemkin american client is the point.
In other words, Trump's "anti-war stance" is identical to Obama's when he ran against Bush: a calculated lie.
"Yeah, he beat Medicare. He beat it to death."
I don't know, I liked some of Trump's retorts. He was funny. Biden was just sad.
Yeah, Trump was doing Trump shit most of the time. He seemed about as coherent as he ever is.
I haven't really listened to Trump outside of short clips since 2020, so hearing him be so... Trump, was actually kinda surprising to me. Obviously it was no 2016-era Trump, but considering Biden's performance comparatively- damn.
Trump v Clinton
Trump v Biden
Trump v Biden (again)
Is the USA really not capable of getting some actually capable candidates on the ballot?
The last time it was actually two normal people was 2012 with Obama v Romney. That's 12 years ago.
There are voters this election that were in kindergarten back then.
incredible that you think obama and romney(!) were normal people.
in 10 years time, people will wax nostalgic about the normal trump v biden elections...
The most hilarious thing imo was the extremely predictable lib rehabilitation of Bush pretty much the second Trump got elected
I looked up when he was on Ellen and Jimmy Kimmel doing his aw shucks war criminal grandpa routine, and you’re not exaggerating, those were both in 2017.
Romney wasn't that different from McCain, Bush or Reagan. Or Sunak or Thatcher.
Relative to other conservatives, he was within the norm.
Those people were evil too. I guess you think Trump is bad only because he's more inclined to say the quiet part out loud, which doesn't fit "the norm".
Dude he literally claimed 47% of Americans were sucking at the teat of Welfare. Mitt Romney is just a polite fascist.
And that's not even getting into Bain capital or the weird Mormon prophecies.
I guess he was technically polite because he said the 47% line at some fancy bourgeoisie party that wasn’t open to the public.
This debate wasn't about winning over voters, it was about not losing them. Biden's performance will make a lot of people stay at home while Trump was neither here nor there. Overall it's a win for Trump.
The thing about this country is that most of us are a bunch of settlers who need to be humbled on the international stage. We are the bad guys and I feel it's advantageous to the good people of the world that we have an incompetent bumbling idiot as our leader. The sooner Xi fires the nukes the sooner we are to turning the corner on this very sad point in history. As John Brown put it, "the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with blood".
lol no Trump was doing Trump shit which is taking potshots at the competition while selling his sympathizers a fascist fantasy. During the 2016 debates all the libs thought he was losing dismally while he was effectively bodying Clinton because he was following a different playbook. This is why he avoided the questions to veer into culture war shit. His base eats that up. Trump doesn't try to meet the liberal image of a qualified candidate but that's because he's a fascist and doesn't need to.
*Fake French accent* He knows the ridiculousness of his answers but he's amusing himself for it's his adversaries who are obliged to use words responsibly.
Trump did what he needed to do to appeal to his base whereas Biden uh I don't know what the fuck Biden was doing, mostly sundowning I think, but appealing to his base wasn't part of it.but appealing to his base wasn't part of it.
Idk i'm sure a lot of biden supporters were like "wow he's just like me frfr"
Trump was so civil and together, I think libs are going to eat that shit up, people dont care about policies, these debates are the literal theatre of bourgeois political theatre
Im out here in the peanut gallery, trying to get closer to the SPLASH ZONE 💦
Trump was so civil and together,
Which is funny because this guy tweeted this for some reason
Show
Trump was so civil and together
His mic was muted while Biden was speaking so he wasn't able to interrupt like he usually does.
So they made him look even better lol, I cant say i was paying that close attention
Trump didn't even bother answering a lot of the questions, showing contempt for the whole process. He even at one point said how the whole debate was a waste of time lol
Trump is nowhere close to how he was in 2016, and he reminds me of a aging band just playing the same hits that made them famous 20 years ago. I think if Trump had shown restraint, Biden would've looked even more of a complete trainwreck since I've noticed Biden's senility becomes less noticeable when he's insulting Trump.
But Biden's performance was a fucking trainwreck. Dude can't even stand still without making a memeable face. Trump at least still looks like Trump.
The whole thing was so fake, like some kind of dream. It's just amazing how it's fake but about real, evil things that the ruling class is actively doing.
Yeah there's maybe 52% of a working brain between Trump, Biden, and RFK (the
don't count)Fuck you. I will not stand idly by and have someone bad mouth my worms.
If only they could just be friends we could have a league of presidents with majority brain.
They don't need to be friends. Let's start the rituals to combine them into a horrifying flesh golem.
It doesn't really matter because Trump's hog supporters are equally incoherent in their beliefs.
no you don't, you just miss not knowing better
