So do people just not understand that temperature tolerance is a limited thing based on your climate and any deviations can feel significant?
No, they do not, and most of them aren't willing to understand, either.
People, or at least NT people, with higher temperature tolerance are almost always assholes about it - I have weird heat sensitivity, I suspect on account of my Autism, and I only stopped getting constant shit for it once I basically entirely stopped talking to NTs.
The people in this thread are just seizing on an excuse to shit on people they perceive as weaker, or an excuse to shit on the English as if they are actually inherently evil just by existing. Or both.
It's an byproduct of this site's podcast fandom origin. Some people don't understand that Chapo's "bullying is cool" bit is comedic irony aimed at wealthy journalists and politicians on twitter who never actually experience bullying and just have no context for seeing negative feedback to their broadly unpopular opinions.
It's also just common regional chauvinism. The same people here who say stuff like "just open a window dipshit, it's worse where I live and I think it's comfortable!" will go on to lament the seriousness of climate change elsewhere, then go right on to another post about low temperatures in winter and comment something like "just put on a sweater dipshit, it's worse where I live and I think it's comfortable!"
Yeah. The worst is how they always double down when confronted. It's the same shit libs do when confronted on their bigotries.
Maybe you just look really pathetic to people who have lived in third world countries where this a cool evening temperature
I'm from a climate that's typically 30-35c 70-100% humidity that has single digit days under 20.
26c is a cool evening to me because I'm fairly used to it. Not everyone is me though, and being over the age of 10, I have a thing called "theory of mind." Which is the ability to conceptualise that other people are also people. You should work on that, it's fairly vital.
I am imagining myself as a pathetic angloid, I feel slimy and red and bloated with cheese. Ok back to my normal body
Ableism is, unfortunately, extremely common on hexbear.
I think that the shitting on the British is just overcompensation for having been really into Doctor Who and Sherlock in their Tumblr phase. I'm Australian, so I do love to insult the British, but people just overdo it.
I'm Chinese living in Australia, so I have 2 reasons to insult the British.
If I ever get power I'm flooding the UK with opium.
A normal person can't watch Sherlock without developing a hatred for england. It just tends to fade with time in most people
It is interesting to see high heat and associated sweating as quite a powerful stimulus which often causes overstimulation particularly in people with neuro divergence. So sometimes it's not even a heat tolerance problem but an overstimulation problem which NTs seem to have a hard time understanding.
Also like others have said, perception of temperature changed is largely dependent on where your current baseline is.
I have fibromyalgia and autism so it's a combo for me. Heat makes pain worse, discomfort increases sensitivity, etc etc bad times.
Even just new meds can fuck with your ability to process heat. When I started prozac I would feel hot and get sweaty from basically any activity, which then meant I'd get cold, shiver, sweat more. NTs are fucking weird
In my case it almost feels like my body's reaction to heat has a screwed-up sense of how hot things are. I can't take hot showers, for example, which are objectively not dangerous, because they genuinely feel like they are going to burn me - normal-hot-shower temperature water feels like like a wet hot pan, it's like my cap is just lower. Ambient heat in the air and light doesn't do that in the same way, but it can make walls and stuff feel like that, naturally.
I hadn't thought of it from the overstimulation angle before, though, but now that I think about it I think you're right, that is at least part of why I hate ambient heat and particularly sweating. Thank you for that insight.
That sounds super frustrating, do you have any idea why that might be? I know certain conditions like Raynauds or some medication can fuck with temperature perception.
Oh no worries, my partner described it to me that way as she gets pretty much the same symptoms in the heat that she gets in large crowds or noisy environments. Then we looked it up and other people (especially those with ASD) described it the same way!
We used to be able to shit on the English, now we can't because of woke ☹️
There are valid reasons to shit on the English (eg. their queerphobia)
Also their milky complexions, cheese bloat & frail constitutions that collapse during a warm breeze
an excuse to shit on the English as if they are actually inherently evil just by existing
Yes this one, although it's very generous to consider the last 500 years of colonial domination "just existing"
Obviously there are a range of conditions that impact temperature sensitivity and people with these should be afforded all accommodations to make their lives better, but I don't consider being British a legitimate condition
Yeah, the disabled deserve to suffer because they were born into a collapsed empire.
Did you miss the second paragraph?
It's not actually ableism to experience joy at the thought of able bodied NT 30 year old British people suffering from 26 degree weather
I imagine there's heaps of Brits with post-covid POTS and you don't see a single article on them struggling not to pass out when the temperature is 20 or above
What news outlets publish any kind of article about the suffering of disables people due to the environment?
Genuinely I would like to know if you hear about how post covid disabled people suffer in any kind of mainstream media?
Just because you construct an ideal justified victim of the UK heat doesn't actually excuse you from the reality of who will be victimised.
It’s been hotter than this “heatwave” in my home country (with no AC) every day for the last 20 years
I am not going to cry for Angloids because you have put a progressive spin on your whinging and self-victimization at lukewarm temperatures
This is pure first-world-problems and chauvinism, the article is centering the conversation on Britain as a whole being under duress, it doesn’t say anything about disabled people. It’s another in a long line of white people being the center of the world and any minor inconvenience to them being a huge deal everyone else has to consider and worry about. I don’t give a fuck if Britain is 80 F. Literal non-story that has wasted my time, yet another anglo imposition of specialness
Disabled people exist wether or not a shitass news org covers them, dipshit.
It's progressive to be concerned over disabled people in the imperial core, you are literally just being ableist.
Yeah we are dunking on the article. You decided to change the topic and then get all offended in a way that just so coincidentally vindicates the British persecution complex that you have.
British aren’t persecuted. Getting all hot and bothered over a cool day is funny. You are pale and weak of constitution. Having a whole nation of fish people who can’t take the heat is your problem, not mine.
Third world countries have disabled people too and much worse temperatures even during non heatwaves. You don’t see articles about that. Stop trying to use ableism as a bludgeon when it was you that entered that topic into the conversation and not the article we are dunking on.
What news outlets publish any kind of article about the suffering of disables people due to the environment?
Yes, this is my point - we can enjoy articles about the "average" Brit suffering because there aren't usually articles posted about actual suffering that can be easily addressed.
doesn't actually excuse you from the reality of who will be victimised
All of them, all of the Brits will be victimised.
shit on the English as if they are actually inherently evil just by existing
Death to America
Not to mention that just from person to person within the same climate there are significant differences, probably genetic at their core. Two people can be sitting in the exact same spot and one will be burning up and the other freezing cold and neither of them are "wrong"
Part of it can also be if a person has had heat injuries before too. After you have one, you become more sensitive and vulnerable to heat. I know, the I've had a couple... :-(
Explains why the Ac and heater keep turning on/off at work every 5 minutes.
Tbf if thats higher than the infrastructure can support it will cause problems even if thats not that hot. Like they dont have AC anywhere. All the infrastructure is made to keep heat in because it was so cold
IIRC they're also not built to keep the heat in because like 5000 people died due to cold weather in 2022/23. Seems like the UK has had the copper wire ripped out of the walls slightly faster than other imperialist countries.
The UK has the worst housing stock in western Europe. Homes are not only prohibitively expensive, they are also smaller, less energy efficient and in worse repair than in neighbouring countries.
you don't need AC for 26C unless you're a literal snowflake
Death to America
26C outdoors with no AC and poorly designed buildings with bad ventilation can easily mean 30C+ indoors
UK housing is dogshit, and isn’t largely designed in a way to get a good cross breeze and natural cooling
Even then, 26 C is not particulary hot. That's a normal summer here in Germany, where we also barely have any AC.
Dress lightly, keep shades down and windows closed over the day and you have it cool inside. Most european buildings keep the heat out and the warmth in, depending on the time of the year. Because most of europe has continental climate, relatively hot summers and relatively cold winters.
That works great until you need to cook dinner, or use the computer, or any other appliance that produces a lot of heat...
It's not unlivable, sure, but it makes it hard to be productive with anything. I had broken AC for a month in the US South once, wouldn't wish it on anyoneThat works great until you need to cook dinner
Yeah, first it's frustratingly hot and afterwards you have to eat British food. It's taking 2 consecutive L's.
I had broken AC for a month in the US South once, wouldn't wish it on anyone
I had a broken AC for 17 years in the US South. You adapt to it over time - I used to be extremely cold tolerant and prefer cold weather, like "go outside barefoot in shorts and a t-shirt with 3 feet of snow on the ground" tolerant, and now my extremities go numb if the temperature dips below 70 but I only hit the "this is getting too warm" point around 90 and it's not too bad until it gets close to body temperature.
Well that’s the other thing though: British people aren’t adapted to it. I can be outside in the 80s just fine but I’ve lived in Florida most of my life. My father in law on the other hand is dying if it gets above 75 but will go out in shorts when it’s nearly freezing. It takes a long time to build up that tolerance.
Yeah it's not perfect. But its usually no problem below 30C.
As for productivity, oh yes that certainly is affected. Completely agree with the US south being unliveable without AC, the US has far more extreme climate than europe.
Many people lived in the US south before AC. How is it unlivable? Maybe for soggy crackers but whole nations have existed there for thousands of years
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I saw this summer outfit video that this British YouTuber put together and it was wild - jackets, fatigue pants, boots, long sleeve rugby shirts. Just screaming at the screen "this is all autumn stuff what are you doing"
Oi these're me summer gubbins innit? Need'n'ta protec' meself from the Sun and it's only th' two layers instead've me usual four!
Insulation works both ways. If it's hot outside, just keep the windows closed and the house will stay cooler. Open them at night after it's cooled down.
79 outside with no AC and badly designed buildings with no natural cooling can easily mean 90+ inside
It’s fine as long as all you need to do is sit outside in the shade, but if you have to do anything it becomes a problem
Dude where I grew up in a third world country it was hotter than this every single day of the year and everyone worked outside. Britoids get over your precious milky constitutions.
This thread is as pathetic as a bunch of white people complaining about how spicy kung pao chicken is
Not the first time Hexbear gets weirdly defensive over people mocking the UKKK
Some people have very clearly never traveled and have no perspective of the outside world at all
Like they dont have AC anywhere.
26C/79F is pleasantly cool weather. It's 30C/86F and humid in the room I'm sitting in right now, probably warmer outside, and this is still pleasantly warm though starting to edge a bit close to the point where it becomes uncomfortably warm.
Like 26C/79F is "this is the result of the AC running until it's starting to get chilly and gets turned off" temperature.
Finland is the same way and gets to 26C every summer. We just open the windows and use fans
You eat toasted bread between two untoasted pieces of bread.
Sugar is too spicy.
You'll literally die if you don't get a "pint" in you daily.
Your red and look like a bulldog.
You are English.
no one actually eats that it's just for sick people in the olden days or very poor people
Coincidentally the same demographics actually likely to suffer in heatwaves.
They eat what
ah spo' ah' jelleyd eels wih' ah' noice scrim-scram ah' sauljahs an' bayngahs' on the soid
Beans on toast is good, fight me.
Toast sandwich is the same as rock soup. Depression era food.
I'll defend the islanders and their weak constitutions.
At high enough humidity you can't cool down from sweat, so a 88°F/31°C wetbulb temperature can be lethal. Add in sunlight, combining radiation with convection, which gives the extra 9°F/5°C needed to kill you. Humidity and direct sunlight can make 79° lethal, especially when combined with physical exertion.
It's not just the gout and aristocratic inbreeding that's killing them I swear!
The weirdly low dangerous wetbulb temperatures are actually arrived at with extremely low humidity and a very high dry bulb temperature. As long as the dry bulb temperature is below body temperature you can still passively cool especially with moving air, although obviously it gets much worse the closer both numbers get to body temperature. A dry bulb that's 20 degrees below body temperature will always be cool regardless of how efficient sweating given the humidity.
I'm aware, but you're ignoring solar gain. A dry bulb in shade will read differently than a dry bulb in direct Sun; sunlight can easily add enough heat to raise the dry bulb from 79°F to 88°F because you're getting heat from radiation in addition to convection.
Then add in physical activity and poor air flow, add in people unprepared to dress appropriately and poor hot-climate infrastructure, it's entirely possible for 79°F to become dangerous - especially to vulnerable populations.
"If you're wearing a parka, and doing heavy exercise in the sun, and not drinking water, and also you have other health problems too, then this otherwise cool and pleasant temperature would become a problem" isn't a very sound argument. Like yes, if you're actively overheating yourself and also dehydrated and also overdressed and also you don't do anything at all to mitigate these things you're actively doing then you're in for a bad time, but you can also mitigate this by not doing that, by drinking enough water, and by having an electric fan. You should never just passively have trouble with a temperature that's 20 degrees below body temperature, that's colder than an air conditioned space should be. Like here the temperature outside actually is 88F, it's passively 85F inside, and after running the AC for a while I stopped it at 82F because it was getting chilly.
"If you're able to do x y and z to mitigate the heat then this is a cool and pleasant temperature" is not a sound argument either.
Public health warnings are not about naked people sitting perfectly still in the shade in front of a fan. Try doing manual labor in the Sun while wearing PPE and your boss will fire you if he catches you sitting down or taking too many water breaks. Warnings like this give workers the power they need to stand up to their boss because, if they are injured, liability falls back on the boss. We aren't just talking about people "passively" having trouble, we're talking about the entire population.
Also the elderly who straight up refuse to modify any of their behaviour with environmental conditions
Grandma, you get $700 a year from the government because you're like 100, please turn on an air conditioner
Grandma, frowning in hyperthermic defiance
79F isn't even "you need to mitigate this" weather. It's cold, and only if you do things that would be dangerous at even colder temperatures does it hypothetically become a problem. You can give yourself heatstroke while standing knee deep in snow if you try hard enough, that doesn't mean freezing temperatures are dangerously high.
Ok let’s not over exaggerate lol. 79F is not cold weather lol. It’s not even chilly.
That just opens you up to mocking from the other direction.
Your air conditioned room has no humidity and isn't in direct sunlight. This is why I brought up wet bulb temperatures! That's why I keep pointing out radiation in addition to convection! And you're just sitting around in your room and probably dressed comfortably! All of that adds up and you're just ignoring all of it.
And I've already explained that "twenty degrees below body temperature" is cool, and "but what if there are also a ton of extra, additional things on top of that like open flames and parkas and heavy exercise and no water and still air and also it's underwater and also the water is boiling and and and and..." doesn't change that, because those are additional, other things that are bad in and of themselves and would be a problem if it were 30 degrees below body temperature or 40 degrees below body temperature.
There is absolutely no case in which a temperature below 80F can be considered hot, and "it doesn't do enough on its own to mitigate these other extra, additional environmental hazards that are unrelated to it" doesn't change that.
I'd love to see you have this conversation with someone who works in like road construction or something.
I worked in street markets in Egypt in +100 degree temperatures. Do I get to make fun of frail Angloids?
I work in a factory in Iowa, anything above 70 and I sweat tons because I'm doing physical labor in a humid environment. Yes, if I don't dress appropriately and have fans pointed at me and drink lots of water (which I do!), I could get very sick.
It’s literally required in leases here in Florida that you keep it at 78 or below to avoid mold growth
Reminds me of the texan suburbanites who threw a fit about how they "cOuLd HaVe DiEd" when their houses' smart thermostats adjusted from 65 to 68. Anyone and any place that expects the temperature to be kept at frigid "you need a warm blanket and you'll still be cold" temperatures is deeply unserious.
For those wondering why this is bad in the UK, it's currently 3am and the humidity is 85%.
We have a very wet country. These temperatures are very difficult to cool down in with this kind of humidity.
Comrade, that amount of humidity is normal in many parts of the world.
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The British have colonized parts of the world where people work in these conditions on the daily, but they didn't take any knowledge of how to live and work comfortably in this kind of heat back home with them because the British solution was "make the locals do it", hence the Schadenfreude.
The same way it works in every kitchen everywhere else in the world that experiences these conditions?
Like not that I have no sympathy for British people when temperatures are genuinely too high, but this is not that. Acting like it’s the only place in the world that gets mildly warm and humid
Bro I wish that were the case as that would imply proper insulation. From my experience they're draughty fabrications which use too much energy to keep warm in the winter and are wholly unprepared for dealing with anything above 25°C.
Truth is, just more affordable housing please. And if you're being generous, more forward thinking affordable housing, please.
But gram made it just for them. It's the third doctor, Jon Pertwee, and the mark 2.07 Tardis.
lmao are english people ok? it is 95 degrees outside where I am as we speak and i dont consider this unusual in the least
Also 95 here, but after visiting the UK during one of their “heat waves” I’d rather be here in Florida at 95 than the UK at 80.
Here we’ve built our society around air conditioning, I move from climate controlled space to climate controlled space spending as little time out in the 95 degrees as possible. For the short time it’s nice outside, our houses are largely built to encourage a cross-breeze from one end to the other.
In the UK even though it wasn’t as hot outside there was no relief. Nowhere had AC. Not the houses, not the businesses, not the busses or trains or stations. All the buildings were made to keep air and heat in, so everywhere was 90 degrees inside. They barely even had ice for drinks most places.
And to add on top of that, people there aren’t acclimated to the heat. I keep it at 78 degrees inside my apartment, but when I first moved here I would’ve been dying at 78 indoors.
You’re giving British people way too much credit. Plenty of places like NYC you do not move between climate controlled spaces all of the time and the vast majority do not do so in a climate controlled vehicle, PLUS NYC can be just as humid as the UK
Oh trust me I have no desire to give credit to the English. I just know I was there when it was 80 and it made me miss my 95 degree Florida days
I feel sympathy for the people of TERF Island when temperatures are genuinely too high because the infrastructure is actually not built to handle temperatures like 32C (90F).
But 26C is straight up nice day outside/just open your windows and dress lightly weather. Actually my room temp in the US right now with no AC is warmer than this and humid and I have no fan running lol.
Apparently the stiff upper lip melts at room temperature.
26C is straight up nice day outside
if you're used to living in a sun scorched hell maybe, as a north easterner USian anything close to 80F is extremely uncomfortable without AC
Also an inhabitor of the northeast US, and 80F isn’t exactly comfortable but it’s not what the anglos make it out to be
going outside for a few minutes in 80 isn't too bad, i just mean as an all day indoor temp with no air conditioning. the large majority of americans are used to AC while the large majority of brits are not. most americans used to AC would be whining even more than them if we lost it, if you personally have no problem with it, you're stronger than every american i've met lmao. literally every college kid in my state who didn't get an air conditioned dorm complains about it as if they're suffocating in the pits of hell
It's not the heat it's the humidity. Also we don't really do AC in our homes.
Homie I live in the South and you wouldn’t catch me calling 79° comfortable on any given day, except perhaps a dry day.
South what, Iceland?
Even at 100 percent humidity that's only equivalent to 30 C / 86 F
South United States.
I'm from Caracas and our weather was MILD compared to the dogshit climate I've had to endure in the U.S
Whereabouts in the US?
Also til that Caracas has very mild and seemingly consistent weather, I guess it's insulated by the Carribbean - looks lovely
Houston.
Yeah we have a mountain range that insulates us from a lot of stormy and hot weather. It’s honestly unfair, cause I never had air conditioning until my family moved to Florida. When we first arrived we were so broke, our car had no AC. When I tell you Florida was hell, even at 80°. You got no idea. I can’t imagine being poor now with 90-100° days and 80% humidity.
How the hell do so many of you not understand that some people actually have work manual labor outside in the sun?
"sTaY iN tHe sHadE aNd tUrN oN a fAn lol"
people have to do that all over the world, including in places where 79F is a nice cool day. British who can't handle a warm day are a joke, I grew up laboring hard in Egypt. Guess what, we didn't have AC
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This is the weather in my birthplace right now, and it's not a "heat wave" just normal temperature. It doesn't even get below 79F at night during lows half the time! What a joke Britain!
There’s no set maximum temperature for working outside in the UK, but employers are implored to use their discretion to provide a reasonable temperature for staff to work in and take action when necessary.
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Great thread to prove my theory that Americans aren't actually real people, but just homonculi built with an inherent compulsive desire to be the greatest white people on the planet, and absolutely no restrictions on being dumb assholes about it.
as an Egyptian, this thread reads like two types of milky white people arguing whether doritos nacho cheese or cool ranch is spicier
No need to worry. $500,000,000 will be sent to ukraine to solve this problem
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it's june and 79 F is still higher than the average high of july, the hottest month
but yea only cracker problems, places, languages, ethnicities, foods exist
There's really no point comparing long run averages
This was last year (July and August being colder than June and September)
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There's really no point comparing long run averages
...yea there is because that's how we know global warming exists
It's not a heatwave but it's still warmer than the average weather there from 50 years agoone could question whether the headline was purposefully worded that way to produce more climate skepticism
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youre deeply unserious
